Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tara Street, Dublin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. I realize that this close is not consistent with some similar AFD's that have been closed (some by me?) in the past week or so. Please do not badger me about that. This closing only takes into account the contributions to this discussion, and not some ultimate goal of being globally consistent. Perhaps discuss the issue with the participants on their talk pages if you want to understand any reason for the difference in the outcome.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 00:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Tara Street, Dublin

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 * Delete Non-notable street Balloholic (talk) 15:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I would think any major street in the center of Dublin would be notable and is bound to have many sources (probably from books) describing its history. Even one of Dublin's major train stations is named after it, Tara Street railway station. --Oakshade (talk) 19:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: That cannot be verified Oakshade. They are even on different streets nowhere near one another. --Balloholic (talk) 01:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no inherent notability for streets. A street can, potentially, demonstrate enough notability to merit its own separate page, but the fame of a city isn't inherited by its individual thoroughfares.  Until some significant content can be added, maybe this and the other articles can be merged into someting called "Streets of Dublin".  Mandsford (talk) 20:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Stations tend to be named after the most important roads in a city. With a notable newspaper located there, the article presents more than just map information and a major road in a big city is bound to have paper sources. Deletion would not help that process. (WP:DEADLINE) Send this to the WikiProject Ireland or WikiProject Roads (or move to project space) for improvement and renominate in a month if no improvement occurred. - Mgm|(talk) 00:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. As above station not on this street at all. A quick check will show that. Newspaper claims to have moved here two years ago and before that was elsewhere.If this newspaper changed address every few years would we give all fifty addresses their own article? Surely a list would be better. OR better still just include the most historic streets like where it was during the easter rising or civil war. What has happened on this street this past few years to make it notable more than all its othere addresses in its 150+ year existence?
 * Comment - Do they? I don't think so. Just because John Street Florists is located in Tralee doesn't mean the street is notable. As for the newspaper, no, this does not make a street notable. The paper may be notable, the railway station may be but it certainly does not make the street notable. --Balloholic (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about florists, I'm talking about subway and railway stations. - Mgm|(talk) 13:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * :/ I really don't think Subway outlets are more notable than florists. It doesn't matter how many flowers or sandwiches that are sold, such things rarely make a street notable. You can buy a sandwich in John's Megastore down the road or Hammyland across the street. These aren't notable. --Balloholic (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * By subway, he's referring to the railway station nearby, not the sandwich chain. It also has the headquarters of a major newspaper there - I think Talbot Street is where Independent Newspapers has theirs. Autarch (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Dublin has a subway??? When was the last time you people were in Dublin? Those subway signs are for the sandwich chain not an underground train system! I smell fiction makers. --Balloholic (talk) 17:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Presumably I'm talking about subway and railway stations refers to the DART. Please do not make comments like I smell fiction makers as it can create ill feeling. Autarch (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The DART is a relic. Surely we cannot have every single small stop on wikipedia? Never mind a street that happens to have a stop. By that theory every single street that has a rail or bus station in every little nook and cranny in Ireland should have an article. Even if there is nothing else to say. Again this is not a travel guide. I remind everyone that this is an encyclopedia and appeal to the COMMONSENSE of those non-Dubliners and possibly even non-Irish who aren't protecting their own personal creations. --Balloholic (talk) 22:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This one seems notable enough to my view... weak keep. Grutness...wha?  01:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral for the moment. Tara Street railway station is clearly notable, but it has its own article. I am not in a position to judge this one in advance of its being expanded.  I am inclined to agree with Mgm.  I do not think that WikiProject Roads would be able to handle this, as it needs local knowledge, from a Dubliner.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

See the following -WP:50k. --Balloholic (talk) 01:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Tara Street railway station has its own article. We don't need the street. Case dismissed. I expect to see this deleted. --Balloholic (talk) 22:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - stubbish, to be sure, but the article seems to be about a notable street. Lots of source material is available. Wily D  17:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, google books reveal source material including a major part in the Irish Rebellion, a noteworthy firestation, and a noteworthy bathhouse. Pulsaro (talk) 17:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A noteworthy firestation?????!!!!!! How on earth can a firestation be noteworthy? A bathhouse? Surely one mention in a book does not make such a thing notable! I could write a book tomorrow about John's Megastore. Would that be notable then? --Balloholic (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't know how a firestation can be noteworthy maybe this is the wrong place for you. Pulsaro (talk) 18:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends on who published it. If Cambridge University Press did, then yes.  If John's Vanity Publishing House and Pizzaria did, then no.   I don't have a complete list. Wily D  17:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. So if Cambridge University Press (which very conveniently and coincidentally has its own article) mentions Tara Street in some sort of case study about an non-notable pregnant teenager in 1742 it automatically gets its own article."Tara Street is a Dublin street where the 15 year old human Beyoncé Aguilera became pregnant in 1742." Oh please spare me the crap. --Balloholic (talk) 18:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you didn't insist on misrepresenting the reality of the situation, your explanation might make more sense. Wily D  18:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The reality of the situation is that all of you want to keep something very obviously not notable because it was once mentioned in a Cambridge book. The book might have been published by a university in a different country but the writer may have irish interests or may have lived in Tara Street while she was a young child. The prestige of the brand doesnt make it notable. Thank you. --Balloholic (talk) 18:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not true at all. There are a huge stack of books here, from many different publishers.  I picked one at random as an example of notable publisher, it's not sacrosanct.  The street is transparently notable in our jargon.  It would behoove you to acquaint yourself with the facts before commenting on the situation. The link I gave listed 627 books which discuss Tara Street to some extent or another.  Some are trivial mentions, some are not.  But there are still dozens or hundreds of nontrivial discussions of it. Wily D  20:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * According to this webpage on the Dublin Fire Brigade website, the station in question was headquarters of said fire brigade from 1907. Also, this street was where artillery that bombarded Liberty Hall during the Easter Rising fired from. Autarch (talk) 20:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The link doesn't work I'm afraid and I think people need to realise that that part of the easter rising (which was a massive event) is insignificant. Every street in Dublin was affected by and streets in other towns. They would not get articles so why should this? --Balloholic (talk) 01:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Link does not work. Tut tut. --Balloholic (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Link should work now. Autarch (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * DeleteOh please... Not every street is notable just because someone, somewhere once mentioned it in a publication. Trusilver  17:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep More pointy disruption without the slightest effort per WP:BEFORE - there isn't even a discussion page for this topic yet. A simple search of Google Scholar shows that there are numerous sources for this topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Please delete. This page was created by a user who has a habit of creating Dublin streets and then doing his best to ensure every one of them, even ones that happen to connect two more notable ones and have no other purpose. Again we are not a source for tourists to plan their treks to the Dáil or Guinness brewery. --Balloholic (talk) 23:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Looking at this article on the merits, it does seem that many streets in a major historic capital city which has been a focus for literature for centuries will be significant. It is not the width of the pavement that makes a street notable (usually), but the things that happen there, the places there, and the amount that ha been written about it. I'm glad someone is writing the articles, and I wish the same were done form any similarly important cities. The main thing this article needs is further expansion. DGG (talk) 06:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As for railroad stations and the like, there are two possibilities: usually a station is located in a place of considerable notability and named accordingly, or sometimes a notable neighborhood grows up or a street becomes important primarily because a station happens to have been built there with commerce and local transportation developing around it. Either way, the name of the station is usually a good indication about the street. DGG (talk) 06:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The following makes no sense to me (and it's about one third of the entire article): "The station gives its' name to Tara Street railway station, though the station is on Georges Quay, near the northern end of Tara Street." This particular station mentioned three times in that sentence is never mentioned before and never mentioned again. The keep side of this debate seems tohinge on this and I have to say it is a very dubious statement. According to itself this mystery station which gives its name to another station isn't even located on this street! Neither is the station it gives its name to. We have two stations that don't even have any relevance to the subject being used as an argument for keeps. --Balloholic (talk) 15:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - Snappy (talk) 07:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I moved it from Tara Street to Tara Street, Dublin. There are many streets with this name. Sheesh. Jack Merridew 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep sources exist. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And are you not prepared to comment any further on the reliability of these sources or reply to what I have said above? As I have said before on many occasions sources are all well and good but they have to say something meaningful rather than be a weather report or an invesigation into the murder of a baby seal for example. You have as much as only voted and that contradicts policy. --Balloholic (talk) 18:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And if that is not a vote I'll eat my hat. I really don't need to say anymore. I actually mistook it as "Keep per Snappy" and was looking about searching for this Snappy before I realised. Definite crossing out here. --Balloholic (talk) 18:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG. John254 00:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Dgg's point relates to the station which is one of two stations which aren't even on this street and cannot be verified to be named after it. Tara is a fairly popular name by my estimation, eg. Tara Television, Hill of Tara and there is another Tara Hill in Wexford to give some examples which just spring to mind because I know lots of Taras. Why would the station automatically be named after the street? Thanks. --Balloholic (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


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