Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taraneh Mokaram


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Taraneh Mokaram

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Subject does not seem to be notable. References only support the existence of songs / books, and not why they are noteworthy. Utopes (talk) 04:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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Comment; I wish I could help out more with my initial reasoning, but the article contradicts itself numerous times with the information provided. The first sentence mentions that they were born in 2008, while it is subsequently mentioned that they were born in 2006, and it was mentioned later that they released their first song book in 2009. Whether they were 1 or 3 years old, this series of 4 sentences is pretty wonky. The article uses "he", "she", "his", and "her" to describe the subject, and is listed as a 1980s birthed male poet in the Categories. But even with all of this aside, notability STILL was not established in the article, and only talked about the names of the songs / books that were published, and not whether they were important. So while the first part of this comment has no bearing over whether the article should be kept or not, the lack of general notability does. Utopes (talk) 04:56, 1 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Comment I’ve linked this article to its equivalent on fa.wiki to which it wasn’t connected. The en.wiki version is obviously a very garbled translation with messed up hijri dates. The refs are the same for both versions. I’ll see what others I can find. Mccapra (talk) 22:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Searching under ‘ ترانه مکرم’ clearly shows sustained coverage by multiple independent sources in Farsi. She is a current artist so a lot of this is in social media or blogs and there’s also a lot of interviews. AFAIK the press in Iran do not cover popular music of this sort because they avoid straying unto areas that might become problematic, so I don’t see mainstream news coverage. Allowing for major differences in how things get written about in Iran, I conclude that she’s notable. Mccapra (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete She is maybe famous between some fans of pop music but being famous doesn't mean worthy of an article in Wikipedia aka notable. Musicema.com which is the source for many music articles in Iran is not at all a reliable website (You can "buy" articles and interviews for yourself!)Farhikht (talk) 13:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Comment. Could you please provide links to the references in Farsi. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 02:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment yes: Lyrics of her songs on a popular news site, brief report on her wedding, Her commenting on the release of an album by another artist, 2012, Her lyrics on Iranian poetry site, Bio in Topnaz magazine. I ignored any that were blogs or listings. Mccapra (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:SIGCOV. Other than the Topnaz profile, the sources by Mccapra do not appear substantial enough to meet the basic reference criteria at WP:N. There just aren't enough quality sources to justify an article.4meter4 (talk) 10:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. If she were British or American I’d definitely agree. However I don’t think sources for an Iranian popular artist are going to be what we’d look for in the case of a UK or US artist. 1. All sorts of sources are available in English because it’s a world language with a gigantic volume of sources of every sort. Farsi isn’t. Because it operates at a much smaller scale and has much smaller readerships we’re not going to find the same range material to work from. 2. Mainstream media in the west covers popular culture fairly well, meaning that RIS are generated. In Iran I think that’s much less the case, so the ‘quality’ sources about pop culture we can find in the English speaking world may just not exist in Iran. Thanks. Mccapra (talk) 06:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


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