Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tariq Aziz (bureaucrat)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Subject was in a key government function in Pakistan. Given his diplomatic interactions with India (and possibly other countries), more sources can probably be found, although those present in the artice and listed here are sufficient to satisfy WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Randykitty (talk) 19:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Tariq Aziz (bureaucrat)

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This Article Looks Like A complete Hoax or someone is trying to Promote Tariq Aziz. I did some research on Internet and most of news coming up are related to Tariq Aziz Tv Host And Politician. It Looks like someone is using his references to promote himself. Please refer to these1,2 and 3 and you will see how cleverly the creator used Ebay,Google Books And Someother websites to promote the subject. Foodie ( talk ) 11:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass WP:GNG, even if they are the same person a short stint in a past govt with no notable achievements. --Nlfestival (talk) 17:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment, you are aware that notability is not temporary? --Soman (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment It doesn't look like a hoax to me and from the history it looks legitimate. I have added a reference. At present I don't know whether the individual meets the notability guidelines. Thincat (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Second Comment. Aziz, retired now, used to be a big shot in the days of Musharraf and so is certainly notable. However, stuck as I am with English references, I am not finding adequate material for a really satisfactory BLP though a stub might be supportable. Hence, I'll sign off without a vote. Thincat (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secretary of the National Security Council (Pakistan) appears to be a significant post. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment : Indeed it is a big post but i think ill add "Citation Needed" at the end of your comment. -- Foodie ( talk ) 04:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want a citation confirming he held the post, actually read the references in the article! -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Keep If what is said about him is true, then notable. Wikipedia is comfortable with elected representatives, who are accorded automatic notability even if they got there essentially because there was nobody else on offer and did nothing during their short term, but it needs to recognise appointees to important posts as well. But there are considerable difficulties about the article, which is largely about his alleged associates rather than him. There are certainly POV issues. Unless more sources can be found I suggest that the article be reduced to factual statements about him, using neutral language (avoiding loaded terms like 'buddy') and not ascribing motives unless very securely sourced. A statement by Musharraf on why he had made the appointment and what he was wanting from him would be one thing, an opinion on what his motives might have been is quite another. --AJHingston (talk) 10:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, clearly a notable position, key government function in one of the largest countries in the world. Again we see bias in the AfD process, since we now have reference that he was a national minister (!). In the case of any Western politician, such assertion would have resulted in any speedy keep. For me, I think http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041201/world.htm sums up any notability concerns. --Soman (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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