Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tauheediyah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As with the debate on the founder: after examining the discussion and also the likelihood of a WP:SOCK violation, and the views of those not emotionally involved with the topic, I believe there is a clear and actionable consensus to close this as a deletion. KaisaL (talk) 17:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Tauheediyah

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This lengthy article essentially promotes the teachings of Abdul Hakim Ansari, a little-known 20th century religious teacher from Lahore, Pakistan. The text is based ENTIRELY on self-published sources - Urdu-language booklets published by the person's followers. Google search returns virtually ZERO English-language results for "Tauheediyah", which unfortunately is indicative of lack of notability even in Pakistan, given the country's significant English-speaking population. It seems that "Tauheediyah" is not an "Islamic doctrine" recognised or studied by anyone except Mr Ansari's followers. Virtually all substantial contributions to the article have been made by a single editor, also active in promoting the person on other Wikipedia articles, and a handful of IP editors, all tracing back to University of the Punjab and Quaid-i-Azam University. — kashmiri  TALK  11:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete As is the case with the article about Ansari, the article about his/his followers' website is problematic in a number of ways. Articles about local, obscure South Asian religious movements are common; they tend to be detailed, technically well-written though by non-native speakers of English and illustrated with photos uploaded by the article creator prior to publication. It's a major violation of WP:NOTADVERTISING that frequently occurs, because these figures and organizations rarely have any coverage outside of self-published sources. That is the case with this organization, which fails WP:GNG as another good-faith but inappropriate attempt to create buzz using Wikipedia. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTSOAPBOX, especially not if the sources are all primary and/or self-published. - HyperGaruda (talk) 07:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Abdul Hakim Ansari is the founder of a spiritual chain Tauheediyah. Tauheediyah is the spiritual chain and philosophy of spirituality and islamic mystycism that has many distinctions. Abdul Hakim Ansari books explained it in detail. Followers of Tauheediyah exist in many countries on the globe. They also belong to different nationalities, and language groups. Since the mid of twentieth century, many books have been written and published in connection to this spiritual chain; Tauheediyah. No doubt, all human beings are not of the same thinking. Conflict of thinkings, ideas, and interests may exist every where. As far as there is concern of the content of this wikipedia page, its contents are in accordance to the notability guidelines of wikipedia. If something needs improvement to satisfy additional guidelines, it can be done accordingly.Syed Rahmat Ullah Shah (talk) 18:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I still don't see any proof of notability, or even of the truth of these claims. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It is suggested to read something in Urdu language on the subject. I wonder why someone over there consider the subject so anonymous. I try to suggest some secondary source such as printed encyclopedia to read about Tauheediyah. Hope your desire will satisfy soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.238.61.141 (talk) 00:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the above User:Rahmatgee left the same exact comment at Articles for deletion/Abdul Hakim Ansari, where the above IP address also made a similarly unhelpful comment. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:33, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Running SPI on User:Rahmatgee and the above IP (as well as 193.11.69.62 which is from the same town) would be warranted in case they make more disruption. — kashmiri  TALK  09:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as between the information not being convincing and the sources are basically simply noticeably repeated, there's also the tone, which all suggests there's nothing else to actually keep. SwisterTwister   talk  05:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


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