Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TeaPot Party


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Willie Nelson. The consensus is to redirect, and to protect from editing until such time (if ever) when it becomes notable enough in its own right --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 02:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

TeaPot Party

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Non notable "political" organisation founded by Willie Nelson after a drugs arrest. Exists only as a number of groups of Facebook and has no physical existance. Does produce Google results but mostly about Nelson's initial arrest and his comment to form the party

Note - the article has twice been redirected to Willie Nelson but the creator of the page undoes the redirect. NtheP (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The TeaPot Party is an American grassroots organization which so far claims chapters in all 50 US states and British Columbia, Canada. Obviously the person who wishes to delete this page has no comprehension of the gravity of the marijuana legalization movement in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) 19:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)  — Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Redirect as has been done twice before, without prejustice for recreation if it evolves beyond something Willie Nelson made up one day. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 19:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * One should not let one's own bias affect the quality of the information on wikipedia. It would be fair to say that the detractors of the page are pursuing a personal agenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) 19:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)  — Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Hardly. The only "agenda" we're pushing is Wikipedia's notability standards. Assume a little good faith and remember that there is no cabal. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 21:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect unless reliable sources can establish notability independent of Willie Nelson. Jimmy Pitt   talk  20:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * When researching wikipedia looking for what would constitute a notable event I came across a page mentioning "Mend", The debut album by the Scottish band De Rosa. Released in June 2006, The album was voted 16th in Mojo’s top 50 albums of 2006. While the band, De Rosa may deserve to have a page on wikipedia, how does an album voted 16th of 50 merit it's own page? The main TeaPot Party page on facebook has over 38,000 members and the numbers are growing, with TeaPot Party URL's being grabbed up at a fast pace. I think that by ignoring the significance of this movement you are doing a disservice to millions of wiki readers who may be interested in reading about this this subject. In closing all I have to say is that eventually there will be a wikipedia page for the TeaPot Party.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.203.159.242 (talk) 22:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC) — 75.203.159.242 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect and then protect it if that proves necessary to prevent edit warring. Alternatively, delete and salt.  When "eventually" gets here, we can change our minds.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are over a thousand news media articles in Google News that specifically mention the Teapot Party.
 * http://news.google.com/news/search?q=%22Teapot+Party%22 --Timeshifter (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes there are but the overwhelming majority of them say Willie Nelson has said he will found the party, or, join the Facebook group. There are none that give it any degree of notability and a separate existance from Willie. NtheP (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought the notability came from the thousand news media articles. Not to mention the Facebook groups in all 50 states and several foreign countries. Sounds notable to me.
 * Around 7000 blog pages too:
 * http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Teapot+Party%22+Willie+Nelson&tbs=blg:1
 * 20,000 web pages:
 * http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Teapot+Party%22+Willie+Nelson --Timeshifter (talk) 19:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And all these 000s of articles say is "Willie Nelson got busted for possession of pot so said he was going to found a political party called the Tea Pot Party and subsequently there are some Facebook groups" PERIOD There's no denying that is a verifiable fact about Willie Nelson that can (and has been) added to his article but to create a separate article about something that has no physical entity beyond a fad on Facebook?  I don't think so, that's my rationale for a deletion or merge.  If it takes on some greater presence and some activity like other groups that exist or have existed  to support chages in the drug laws e.g. High Times Freedom Fighters then it might merit an article but at the moment it's nothing more than a PR statement.  If there are almost 30,000 pages on it perhaps someone can improve the article past the current three lines and tell us more about what the party has done (will do?), it's organisation etc. NtheP (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "no physical entity beyond a fad on Facebook?"...Facebook is merely a conduit for the thousands of new members of the Party. The members are the physical entity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) 22:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And Facebook is not a reliable, verifiable source by any stretch of the imagination. Clicking 'like' doesn't make one a 'Party member' either. Are there membership cards? Newsletters? Party meetings? Just having a FB presence, regardless of how many 'likes' it gets, doesn't make something notable. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't let your personal biases affect the quality of article on wikipedia. And yes, there are party meetings, but due to current laws most are members only events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) 22:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And please assume good faith. We do. We also believe in a quality encyclopedia that is reliable and verifiable. Does the Party have a website of its own? Coverage beyond "Willie Nelson formed it" in national or local media? - The Bushranger One ping only 23:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment. I think some people are letting their biases against movements and organizations started/organized on the Internet get in the way of notability requirements. Teapot Party is another cannabis reform movement (of many). Where it goes, who knows. But it is already notable just like many other cannabis reform movements, web sites, etc. that have Wikipedia articles. Whether people like it or not is a different question. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In what way is it notable? Can it be proven to be notable? Are there reliable sources that report on it beyond, as has been mentioned, the "Willie Nelson is forming the Tea Pot Party" reportings? We're not "Biased against....started/organised on the Internet". We're actively attempting to determine notability, not discard it in an assumption of bad faith. So far there's been no evidence given that it's an independently notable group, only "WP:ITEXISTS therefore it's notable". - The Bushranger One ping only 23:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

http://www.meetup.com/TeapotParty/ ">— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlos Marcellos (talk • contribs) <span class="autosigned00:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)  — Carlos Marcellos (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Teapot Party announces first nationwide event The Teapot Party is launching a Meetup Everywhere community and encouraging nationwide gatherings on 12/15/10 and 1/18/11
 * Meetup.com is not a reliable source. If these "nationwide gatherings" attract attention from the media, then the page might qualify for its own article. If not, however, the point will continue to stand: there are no reliable, verifiable sources that establish the TeaPot Party as an entity aside from Willie Nelson, in the same way a Facebook page for, say, "Michael Jordan's right hand" would be notable aside from Michael Jordan, regardless of how many followers it got. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you find it so hard to grasp that the TeaPot Party is a real organization.Many things exist only on the internet but that does not make them not real. If I was to follow your logic I could say that wikipedia is not real because it only exists on the internet. I am sensing a personal agenda by the detractors of this page. there are thousands of articles on wikipedia, why are you focused on destroying this one? --Carlos Marcellos (talk) 00:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC) — Carlos Marcellos (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment First of all, nobody is saying the TeaPot Party is "not real". What we're saying is that the TeaPot Party is "not notable per the standards for inclusion of Wikipedia". Secondly, I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding at work here. If you look over the page, nobody has said they want to delete the page (yet alone "destroy" it). What we're saying is that the page TeaPot Party should be a redirect to Willie Nelson, or perhaps Willie Nelson, and that the one paragraph of information TeaPot Party contains can be placed there - where, I might note, it will, quite likely, be seen by more people than it would be on its own seperate page. And yet we're accused of bad faith, censorship, and having an agenda bent on "destroying" this article. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect unless reliable sources can establish notability independent of Willie Nelson per Jimmy Pitt. Protect or alternatively, delete and salt per WhatamIdoing.    —  Jeff G.  ツ  02:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The reason that there is only one paragraph is that I have waited for others to add to the article so that authors would have a chance to add their own flavor to the article. I admit, the movement is in it's infancy, that is why I planted the seed, all I ask is that you guys give it enough time to grow. If the TeaPot Party turns out to be bogus I would be the first one to send the article into the trash can.--Carlos Marcellos (talk) 03:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect without predjudice. Whose Your Guy (talk) 07:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.