Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Fremont Live


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. The lack of reliable sources or coverage is a problem that no arguments and assertions can overcome. Stifle (talk) 11:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Team Fremont Live

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Non-notable podcast. None of the references is to a reliable page, other than links to the site itself, they're either "ain't this cool" types of reviews, links to videos, and blogs and forums. There are only 72 google hits total for the site, and nothing in Google news. I had originally listed this for speedy deletion, but an spa with only the single edit to their credit removed the speedy tag. Corvus cornix talk  18:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep. To claim that sites like Kotaku, Joystiq, Engadget, and 1up.com (one of the leading gaming journalism outlets on the internet) are not "reliable" makes it apparent that this user does not actively participate in or understand the gaming community or the relative impact a podcast like this has. Nonetheless, I believe that this article should stay.
 * 1) I believe this article is notable in relation to the Podcasting Wikiproject, the goal of which is to "(make) Wikipedia's knowledge of notable Podcast and podcast-related information as complete as possible."
 * 2) Moreover, the site also meets the requisite 2/4 requirements for the proposed Wikiproject Podcasting Notability Guidelines. It has gained news coverage from several different notable news groups including Joystiq, Kotaku and Engadget, and it has hosted several notable people within the gaming industry including Ross Erickson (Former Xbox Live Arcade Worldwide Portfolio Manager, now head of Sierra Games Online), Walter Day (Founder of Twin Galaxies, also played a large role in the film "King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters"), and Dan Loosen (one of the co-founders of the Midwest Gaming Classic). While this proposed system was not agreed upon, the fact that this podcast does meet these requirements should at least lend it some credence.
 * 3) There are articles that showcase websites and podcasts FAR less notable than this one. I'm not saying they don't deserve to exist, but I don't understand why this article would be singled out for deletion.
 * 4) Moreover, the only criteria for deletion that this page may meet states: "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability; to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable". Therefore, it shouldn't be necessary to prove to someone that this site is notable. I believe that the sources provided, particularly the one from 1up.com, are strong enough to keep the page.
 * 5) I don't know HOW Corvus got only 73 google hits, but the search I performed showed over 17,000 hits. Sounds like someone is trying to spin nonexistent evidence in their favor.
 * 6) With what evidence I have provided, along witht he lack of evidence against the page, I am confident that the right decision will be made and the page will be kept. Rwiggum (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I never claimed that Joystiq, Kitaku and Engadget are not notable, I claimed that the links provided to those sites are not notable. They're reviews, discussion of cool links, and links to videos.  Nothing to write an article from.  Rwiggum has been extremely uncivil to me to the point that I have told him to stop posting on my Talk page.   Corvus cornix  talk  22:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, the link to 1up.com is to a message board.  Corvus cornix  talk  22:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of these accusations are false. I have tried to be as civil as possible, but Corvus has made that increasingly difficult. He has continued to rally against the page, even after I have provided several arguments to the contrary, many of which he has ignored altogether. However, that doesn't have anything to do with this article, and bringing personal attacks into it seems petty.
 * And concerning the 1UP link, Corvus is referring to a different link altogether I was referring to this link, a main-page story referencing the major announcement that Team Fremont Live broke.
 * Also, The link to the video he was reffering to is in fact a Team-Fremont-produced video that gained a great deal of attention not only from the gaming and technology websites, but it was also posted on the official website for the Microsoft Zune, and THAT is what was linked to. I believe that, in itself adds to the notability of the page. I would say that an official Microsoft product website could be considered "reliable". Rwiggum (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and none of the links provided are "reviews". They are news reports, many of them concerning announcements broken through interviews with Team Fremont Live. There are countless pages for websites and podcasts that are far less notable than this one, and I find it odd that Corvus has singled this page out for deletion. Rwiggum (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep. There is no reason to delete this article. It is a well written article and includes plenty of references.QuentinV (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just a podcast.  Nothing to indicate notability. KleenupKrew (talk) 00:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Which of those sources meet the guideline at WP:RS?  Corvus cornix  talk  05:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.