Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team of Destiny


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was No consensus. Rx StrangeLove 03:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Team of Destiny
Advertisement for non-notable Amway MLM team Ze miguel 18:02, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Items under dispute here: Barwick 16:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) This article is not an advertisement (it is a simple statement of facts on a rather large, high rate of growth team within the Quixtar business)
 * 2) Team of Destiny is not Amway or Quixtar, nor is it Burger King, nor is it...  Similarly, the Indianapolis Colts are not the Houston Texans, nor are the Colts the NFL.  They are completely separate entities, although Team of Destiny agrees to work within the confines of Quixtar's rules.
 * 3) Amway is not Quixtar, they are two wholly separate business models.
 * 4) Team of Destiny is hardly "non-notable".  The results Team of Destiny has achieved within the Quixtar business speak for themselves.


 * Delete per nomination . Keep - convinced by MPS -- Ze miguel 21:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN vanity. - Sensor 20:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This Afd is entirely uncalled for. Team is a pretty big Amway/quixtar organization. It's one thing to say it's non-notable, it's another thing to say it's vanity. I am suspicious that somone just doesn't like that TOD is on wikipedia. Look at all the suspicious edits I have reverted that connect this organization to quixtar. MPS 04:25, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reverting those edits. How about a merge to Independent Business Owners (Amway) ? Ze miguel 10:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This raises a good philosophical question for wikipedia. It is granted that there are many Quixtar/Amway IBOs, and most of them are people, like John Smith of Farmville, Kansas, who has four downlines and has an annual business of $100,000 and specializes in selling SA8 and wrote a book called Leadership and the Revolution of the Internet. No, that would be non-notable. On the other hand, these people have a whole network of supposedly independent buyers and sellers that speak at conferences around the US and promote themselves as super duper successes who add kajillions to the US economy. My question is how should wikipedia document the notable elements of quixtar's business structure without documenting the army of non-notable John Smiths that form IBOs that comprise their workforce? MPS 20:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Shrug. It's non-notable vanity. Delete. --Calton | Talk 00:44, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nominated. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 17:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep You would be entirely surprised how many people do a web search for Team of Destiny, or the people who started it. It's an extremely high number.  An unbiased opinion from a reputable source would be in order.  The only sources for information on the Team of Destiny are pages that are created by people in the organization, or people who bitterly hate all things related to Quixtar for some reason or another.  Many pages try to appear unbiased but are not.  A simple, short Wikipedia entry would clear up confusion. Barwick 04:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless significance beyond the Amway/Quixtar world can be established. Paul 19:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that I created the article Independent Business Owner. It is currently a stub but there is much that can be added to it. Paul 19:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, the Skeptic's dictionary entry for Amway addresses Amway, Quixtar, and one IBO: Team of Destiny . So I think that if there's one notable IBO, it's basically them.
 * Ze miguel - you should let us know who you are, especially if you are going to link to such a biased site Barwick 20:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Barwick: you should Assume Good Faith That link is the top hit on a google search for [Team of destiny] MPS 15:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ze miguel; that link established TOD's notability within A/Q for me. I googled quixter "team"  and the fifth link is this one which is a blog article about how a guy named Scott Larsen put up a site that provides detailed analysis of TOD's practices and was was sued by TOD for copyright infringement. Larson says in his site, Why did I select the Team of Destiny ® ? Of all the Quixtar Lines-of-Sponsorship I've studied, Team of Destiny ® is the most prolific of any LOS at publishing material, which can be easily criticized to conflict with pyramiding regulations. TOD was the only Quixtar group I know to publicly promote, and justify the money available from their system. That page has since been removed from public view, potentially at Quixtar's request. TOD distributes the profits from their Business Support Materials sales to participants as its own Multi-Level-Marketing (MLM) opportunity6.  He is saying that TOD puts out a lot of source material compared with other Lines of Sponsorship. This means to me that it should be easier to source/verify an article on TOD than it will for other Quixtar related entities. MPS 16:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Where do we discuss this? PaulHanson requested significance beyond the world of Quixtar (and why does it have to be significant beyond the world of Quixtar?  I'm pretty sure there ARE people in Quixtar that would like to get some information on  Team of Destiny. Barwick 20:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Discuss Paul's request by indenting underneath his comment. If it gets too long we can improvise another place to discuss.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.