Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teaneck Kebab House (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Academic Challenger (talk) 22:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Teaneck Kebab House
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Does not pass WP:ORG. Sources are primarily restaurant reviews in local newspapers. Also, appears to not even exist anymore. Rusf10 (talk) 04:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - as the tag at the top of this article says, part of this article are typed as if part of an advertisement. Vorbee (talk) 10:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Just because something doesn't exist anymore isn't a reason to delete, Alexander the Great doesn't exist anymore and we have an article for him! Also a review from the New York Times and The Record, there is just about enough for GNG in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 10:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a huge difference between a king and a restaurant that was only around for a few years.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You do know that Alexander died very young don't you? SpinningSpark 17:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty weak analogy. Alexander the Great has been dead for more than two thousand years and people are still writing numerous books and articles about him. This restaurant was gone and completely forgotten in less that a few years. Except for a Yelp posting, no one has noted or regretted its passing. Glendoremus (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete All referenced sources are local editions. New York Times may seem impressive at first but restaurant review only appears in their local, New Jersey edition. Ditto for the others. These restaurant reviews are routine, dime-a-dozen write-ups. Does not meet notability standards for organizations. Glendoremus (talk) 20:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Run of the mill restaurant that has been the subject of routine reviews. Carrite (talk) 11:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Routine coverage expected for such a venue. Besides, its no Abra-Kebabra. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:58, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficiently notable, and Wikipedia has far less notable restaurants with articles. A Lucky Escape, for the Chef and Diners was not deleted by the NYT. As its existence in the Times was due to its connection with its being one of very few Afghan restaurants, its notability did not mysteriously evaporate with its closing, just as we do not generally delete articles about books which are now "out of print."  That is, until Wikipedia states "notability is transitory".  This discussion belongs then to that definition page - Notability is not temporary, not to a separate AfD. Collect (talk) 21:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * "OTHERSTUFF EXISTS" is not a valid rationale to keep. This is basically an ordinary restaurant that got a review in the NYT. BFD. The previous 13-9 Keep vote was hardly decisive... Carrite (talk) 16:55, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Then propose a change to WP:Notability  The NYT does not give feature articles on all 100,000 restaurants in its readership area, by the way. It is not the Podunk News covering "Aunt Milly's Fried Chicken".   Collect (talk) 13:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Its in the NYT 'In the region' section which is local/regional news. Which is where you would expect a review of a local restaurant. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Teaneck, New Jersey is not in New York City. It is therefore not a "local restaurant" and the NYT does not give much coverage to the 50,000 restaurants in its area (Over 26,000 in the city proper).   To be listed out of 50,000 restaurants is a great deal different that being one of fifty or a hundred restaurants in many newspaper areas. As I have noted, rewrite WP:Notability.  Collect (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Collect, actually go and look at the website the ref is for will you. At the time it was published online it was in the NY Region section which covered local news including NJ. The online NY Region section covers local news from Long Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Westchester (as well as the city). The page ref is for the dining section in the NJ print edition. It wasnt notable the last time, its not notable now, and stop badgering people to go change the notability guideline, once is fucking enough. Only in death does duty end (talk) 20:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The "New York Region" covers about 50,000 restaurants - which seems a pretty l;arge number. Not the 100 or less in most "regions" for minor papers. Again - this should be at WP:Notability. Collect (talk) 12:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Having grown up in the region (a couple of towns over from Teaneck), allow me to inject some local knowlege about how the NY Times regional editions work. In addition to the "City Edition", the NYT publishes  a number of regional editions for the various suburban areas.  There's one for Long Island, one for Westchester, one for Northern New Jersey, etc.  These regional editions include the same core news section as the city edition, but also have a regional section, which concentrates on local issues, local sports, local restaurant reviews, etc.  I'm going to remain neutral on the question of whether this particular restaurant is notable, but clearly getting a review in the NJ section is "regional coverage", of a "local restaurant".  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not appear to meet notability standards. PackMecEng (talk) 16:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It did meet those standards in the past with a reasonable consensus (13 to 9 is a reasonable consensus at AfD). Rewrite WP:Notability to change the rules. Collect (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, WP:ORG has been substantially re-written/expanded since this restaurant was first up for AfD in 2010. It seems perfectly reasonable to test the article against the updated guidelines. Hopefully, we'll be able to achieve another reasonable 60/40 consensus.Glendoremus (talk) 21:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The change in that guideline appears to be whether a restaurant "inherits" notability from its owner - the "restaurant example in WP:ORG is not at all relevant here.  If we wish to change Notability - the change should be made on that page, not by this backdoor. Collect (talk) 12:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not notable. Closed. Written like an advert. Szzuk (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


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