Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teardrop trailer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  Sandstein  20:59, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Teardrop trailer

 * – ( View AfD View log )

There has been an edit war going on for some time whether to merge the contents of this article into Travel trailer (essentially deleting this article). Some editors there are of the opinion that the two articles describe the same concept and Travel trailer already covers this article, whereas some believe the concepts are distinct. I'm opening the AfD procedurally to hopefully bring this quagmire to an end. KnightInShinyArmor (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect The two articles, and the sources cited within them, seem to treat the term as interchangeable. KnightInShinyArmor (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Do not delete - keep or merge The terms are not interchangeable: "teardrop trailer" is a particular variety of travel trailer. Teardrop trailers are probably notable enough for an article of their own, but it'd be just as good to merge the minimal material in the larger article, which already has sections on other styles of travel trailers. FWIW, if the proposer had wanted to do a merge rather than a deletion then this is the wrong venue - merges can be proposed and discussed on the article talk pages.   Will Beback    talk    02:29, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Let's get the terminology structure right before proceeding
Downsize43 (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Top of the heap (whether we non-Americans like it or not) is Recreational vehicle. Its sub-article, List of recreational vehicles, gives a reasonable breakdown, but the major structural division is between powered and non-powered vehicles, and the main articles for each of these are Motorhome and Travel trailer. Various sub-species of these have their own articles, including Teardrop trailer.
 * If we follow this structure (allowing for regional variations in terminology) and link the main and subsidiary articles appropriately, there is no logical reason to delete any existing article.
 * My gut feeling is that the disputes over what is or is not a "true" teardrop trailer will not be resolved by merging the two articles. As it currently reads, it appears that the "conservatives" have "won", or at least that the "progressives" have given up the fight.
 * Keep and tidy up as suggested above.
 * If you wish for your !vote to be considered here, please clarify what you mean—why do you think this article is about politics (conservatives versus progressives)? The problem is, so far you have not provided any sources that make the distinction; as far as I can tell you are only reporting your personal language intuitions. KnightInShinyArmor (talk) 08:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The modern teardrop trailer takes many variations on the basic form, most of which display innovative solutions for the best use of a restricted size and shape. Until recently many of these were included in the article, much to the chagrin of those who wanted to remain rooted in the past. They are now gone and the article is the poorer for it. My !vote to Keep, if successful, should lead to various editors (myself included) attempting do the following:
 * Include a summary of teardrop trailer in travel trailer, mentioning the distinction between the traditional and the modern variants.
 * Expand teardrop trailer to include all variants, with a clear definition of the traditional style.
 * Downsize43 (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2011 November 17.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  20:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - the topic is notable and sufficiently different to a "regular" type of caravan. It has a couple of references, and is short, but reasonably detailed.  I would also like to raise attention to the previous attempts to merge - these were not serious attempts, and ultimately classed as vandalism resulting in page protection - each request was a single edit by a unique IP address, which then disappeared off the face of the Earth, without raising any discussion regarding the proposed merge on either the Teardrop page or the targeted Caravan page:


 * 1
 * 2
 * 3


 * In each case the template was added by an IP address, which I let run for 5 weeks with no comment, so I removed the template - which was subsequently reinstated by a different IP address, but again without commenting, or initiating discussion.  a_man_alone (talk) 11:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I see there have been many editors who have brought up this issue in the past which goes against your !vote, but I still don't see any reliable sources that oppose the idea of having the two articles merged, and this one effectively deleted. KnightInShinyArmor (talk) 12:41, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you seen any reliable sources that are for it? And when you say "I see there have been many editors who have brought up this issue in the past which goes against your !vote" I hope you are not referring to the IP vandalism I highlighted above.  I cannot see any other occasions you may be referring to.   a_man_alone (talk) 14:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm referring to those edits that you've provided which you've been reverting to prevent merging the two articles for some time now. I also can't see any vandalism in those examples. As for needing to provide sources to prove that Teardrop trailer is a Travel trailer? I can only hope that's a joke. But you really should provide reliable sources that prove the opposite, which would actually make your argument valid. KnightInShinyArmor (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.