Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ted & Ralph


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No consensus/Keep. Stifle (talk) 12:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ted & Ralph
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This character article does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Outside of The Fast Show, these characters were developed into a TV movie, which certainly attracted significant coverage at the time.--Michig (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Are there any reliable sources for that significant coverage that can be applied to this article? —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You could search through newspapers from 1998, where the special was reviewed. In fact, the article already links to such a review. It was a major comedy show that would have been reviewed by pretty much all of the British newspapers. The TV film special was nominated for an RTS Award, which I think makes it kind of notable. --Michig (talk) 16:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, it could very well make that special notable, but reading those reviews for specific critical commentary to these characters is what's needed here. Currently it's only referenced for its plot with a single cite to reference inspiration for one of the two characters.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 17:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Iconic characters with their own spinoff. the wub "?!"  21:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  21:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  21:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The template nomination is plainly incorrect. The first sentence is "Ted and Ralph are fictional characters created by Arthur Mathews and Graham Linehan, played by Paul Whitehouse and Charlie Higson in the BBC comedy sketch show The Fast Show" which is neither "plot summary" nor "original research". Please come back with a real nomination, then we can have a real debate. In the meantime, I'll trust the wub on this one. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you objecting to the nomination because the first sentence of the whole article is actually pretty okay? The nomination and rationale apply to the article as a whole, not just the first sentence.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is mostly constitutive of unreferenced plot reiteration and personal interpretation.  There is not evidence of this topic having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject as stipulated by the notability guideline.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 124 google news results, and that's without even trying. the wub "?!"  21:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Wikipedia article with no evidence of having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject as stipulated by the notability guideline, which is probably attributable to not even trying. Or are you yet planning on distilling those myriad and sundry potential sources for use in the article to meet the Heymann Standard?  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 13:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.