Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teenu Arora (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Teenu Arora
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This is the 2nd nomination. The only participants in the 1st nominationa was me and the article creator. I was inactive for some time so the result was no consensus.

All of the references mentioned have trivial mentions (or no mentions) of the subject and lacks in depth coverage, just having the name of the subject in a article does not depicts notability. Most of the articles are single paragraphs having few lines, that's even not about the subject. Also the references should be independent of the subject, this includes the articles where the subject talk about themselves, they are also not considered. Subject fails WP:GNG.

I am also adding the analysis of the references added by article creator in the last comment here.

1. https://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/musicindia/delhi-based-dj-turns-composer_79295.html -> subject is talking about themselves (violation of 1st point at WP:MUSICBIO)

2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/Teenu-Arora-roped-in-by-Sushmita-Sen/articleshow/16739418.cms -> just a single para

3. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Teenu-Arora-popularly-known-as-DJ-Tnu-has-become-a-music-director-Mumbai-Mast-Kalandar-is-the-movie-with-which-he-debuted-as-a-music-director-Teenu-who-will-be-in-Chandigarh-for-promotional-purposes-has-three-more-Bollywood-projects-lined-up-I-am-in-talks-with-directors-who-are-even-offering-me-to-redo-the-movie-numbers-he-said-/articleshow/7293728.cms -> less than a para where subject talk about themselvers

4. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/out-of-the-box-4/ -> once again subject talking about themselves Zoodino (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Zoodino (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Zoodino (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep : This is the 2nd nomination by the same person as the first nomination failed.I don't understand why are you behind deleting this article which has enough news articles which are very well featured and has talked in detail about the artist. I have clearly mentioned all i have to say in the 1st nomination itself. Reposting it here. "The composer is notable and relevant news sources from Times of India, Indian Express , Mid Day , Zee News and many more has been used as references and all are featured news articles about the composer Teenu Arora. Moreover if you check the google news section with the name Teenu Arora you will get a bunch of articles from top news sources and it is clearly not WP:BOMBARDMENT, Additionally the composer's songs have crossed millions of views in YouTube. eg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6KsymnZ21U and he is known to collaborate with many top artists and music labels as seen in news sources. This tag is out of misunderstanding.  You said Most of the articles are single paragraphs having few lines, that's even not about the subject, but the real scenario is different for example quoting reference articles - (https://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/musicindia/delhi-based-dj-turns-composer_79295.html - Talks only about Teenu Arora and its not few lines ) , ( https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/Teenu-Arora-roped-in-by-Sushmita-Sen/articleshow/16739418.cms - Talks about Teenu Arora and its not few lines ) , ( https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Teenu-Arora-popularly-known-as-DJ-Tnu-has-become-a-music-director-Mumbai-Mast-Kalandar-is-the-movie-with-which-he-debuted-as-a-music-director-Teenu-who-will-be-in-Chandigarh-for-promotional-purposes-has-three-more-Bollywood-projects-lined-up-I-am-in-talks-with-directors-who-are-even-offering-me-to-redo-the-movie-numbers-he-said-/articleshow/7293728.cms - Talks about Teenu Arora and its not few lines ) , ( https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/out-of-the-box-4/ - Talks about Teenu Arora and its not few lines ) there are many more, all are detailed articles featuring Teenu Arora, which depicts notability and clears your misunderstanding Jehowahyereh (talk) 10:36, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment : The article creator is continuously neglecting the issues with the references pointed out by me. The article creator has just copied the exact comment form previous nomination (which was resulted as no consensus because of no participation from any other editor). This time it would be better if the nomination gets some participation from the fellow editors. Zoodino (talk) 17:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Note that some of this article's sources that could be reliable in other contexts, such as Times of India, allow creative artists to list themselves and add links to videos etc. (BBC in England does the same.) Those publications are legitimate sources for news stories, but the personal listings do not qualify per WP:SPS. Those are the only types of sources in which this gentleman can be found. While most of the article's factual statements about things he directed or produced appear to be true, none have received significant and reliable media coverage. All the guy has are brief listings of his participation in various songs and movies at typical industry directories and streaming sites. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment None of the news articles presented in the wikipedia article is personal listing or selfmade or self authored articles all are written by correspoding staffs of the news sites. Please go in deep in the article, So your point is void.
 * For example
 * 1. https://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/musicindia/delhi-based-dj-turns-composer_79295.html - By Zee News Staff
 * 2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/Teenu-Arora-roped-in-by-Sushmita-Sen/articleshow/16739418.cms - By Times of India Staff
 * 3. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Teenu-Arora-popularly-known-as-DJ-Tnu-has-become-a-music-director-Mumbai-Mast-Kalandar-is-the-movie-with-which-he-debuted-as-a-music-director-Teenu-who-will-be-in-Chandigarh-for-promotional-purposes-has-three-more-Bollywood-projects-lined-up-I-am-in-talks-with-directors-who-are-even-offering-me-to-redo-the-movie-numbers-he-said-/articleshow/7293728.cms - By Times of India Staff
 * 4. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/out-of-the-box-4/ - By Indian Express staff


 * hence proved that these 4 articles mentioned by the nominator are not personal listing and written by corresponding news website staff. Thus the point raised is Void and you may Keep the article. Jehowahyereh (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


 * comment His albums Vaada,Oriental Craft and Soneya were music chart toppers. I have added and given reference from Indian Express Jehowahyereh (talk) 08:09, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * comment As per point 5 of notability for musicians and DJ's (Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels) The bracketed point is passed as he has many albums released under top record labels in India like T-Series, Zee Music, Times Music ,  Speed Records , Saregama etc.. which are the top music labels in India. henced proved notability on other grounds as well, so you may keep the article Jehowahyereh (talk) 09:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN Spiderone  21:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete due to failing WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Maybe there's some "sources" out there, but nothing in-depth that establishes this person as notable. I might be inclined to vote based on them having albums released with the "top" Indian record labels, but I don't think that's enough on it's own without the in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources to back it up. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. WikiHannibal (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The Zee news story is written by IANS. See WP:SYNDICATED. Other stories are either short interviews or trivial mentions. - hako9 (talk) 01:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


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