Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TelSell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No Consensus, defaults to keep. Nakon 21:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

TelSell

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Non-notable company/TV shopping channel - I think. h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC) 
 * Keep. This is apparently the QVC of Britain. The article is thinly and poorly written, but I think notability exists. Tanthalas39 (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you could be right. But it's a Dutch company. How do you know it's the "QVC of Britain"? Is that anything more than an opinion?--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 03:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is opinion, in the sense that I didn't read that anywhere. However, a Google search, website browsing and a couple painful watches of some YouTube video certainly made it seem so. I was confused about the Dutch thing too, especially since their website isn't in English. Very puzzling indeed. You could convince me otherwise of this one, I suppose, based solely on how strange it is :-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 04:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If it really were the QVC of Britain, there'd be more English-language coverage than there is. Using Google News Archive and restricting the source to BBC News, I get 16 articles with mentions of QVC somewhere in them.  Whereas I get nothing for this subject.  (The web page cited in the article isn't in fact a BBC News article, notice.)  Uncle G (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the QVC of Britain is called..................... QVC. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, English language sources are thin but there may be more substantive material in Dutch. Parts of the Antilles website are in English, and they seem to have a UK office in Suffolk, but it does seem a bit dodgy. Obviously the EU has erased many barriers to such businesses existing. --Dhartung | Talk 08:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * As Dhartung notes, there are a few news articles in Dutch that mention this company. But they either are trivia or aren't really about it.  One is a bare report of a credit-card theft from the company, with no details.  Most are actually about advertising for a product called Biostabil.  A few others are actually about a television presenter called Martijn van den Bergh.  The discussion of TelSell amounts to the fact that these people/things appeared on the channel.  Finally, there are a few discussions of some works of art, parts of which are "TelSell-like", and some discussions of shopping channels "such as TelSell".  There are a few mentions in books, but those are merely as examples of shopping channels, too.  There are other TelSells on the World Wide Web which aren't in fact this company.  I cannot find anything that actually documents this subject itself, in Dutch or English.  The PNC is not satisfied.  An annotated entry in List of Dutch television channels is all that the available sources appear to support. Merge to there. Uncle G (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll look into sourcing tomorrow, it has been recently announced (this week) that TellSell is on the verge of bankrupcy, which ironicly might have generated some notability. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2622436/Telsell-klanten_dupe_roof.html?pageNumber=2
 * http://www.nrc.nl/economie/article887248.ece/Tel_Sell_failliet_verklaard
 * http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2970279/_TelSell_op_randje_van_faillissement__.html
 * Those are two major Dutch newspapers (2 of the largest, and 1 of probably the most respected). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Switched to keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - if it is the QVC of Britian, I haven't heard of it. Will (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Will, WP:IDONTKNOWIT is not a good argument to use in deletion discussions. Just for future reference.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 05:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete unless evidence of notability is provided (the BBC article doesn't really qualify). Terraxos (talk) 04:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Dutch cultural commentators Fokke & Sukke (http://foksuk.nl/) are referring to it in their cartoon of 10 January - and I didn't know what TelSell was, so I went directly to ... Wikipedia, where it was succinctly explained that TelSell is a TV program of home shopping. Why would anyone want to delete an article documenting a culturally significant (even if only a little significant) TV program? especially one that has ties to different European countries (based in NL, broadcast in UK)? I think the onus should be on those who want to purge what they consider excess information from Wikipedia to prove that it is excess, rather than the purgers proposing to delete information and having their way by default if no one objects. It's an *encyclopedia* - which means, among other things, that it's a repository for significant information no matter how banal or whatever the objection is here. Jeepers... Dveej (talk)
 * Delete, I can't find anything from which to write an encyclopedic article. Hiding T 12:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.