Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Televisioncamera

Do we really need this bit of POV that mostly duplicates the content of camcorder? (as an aside, I think the camcorder article should be renamed to video camera, as "camcorder" is usually used to refer to a subset of video cameras.) Niteowlneils 21:51, 2 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Remove the POV statements from Television camera and merge with camcorder. Move the result to video camera and make the other two redirects to it. -- Cyrius|&#9998 03:12, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree with preceeding comment by Cyrius. Alcarillo 16:02, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree as well. Remove POV, and merge - MGM 20:00, May 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. But have a proper article about "Television Cameras".  It seems to me that the cameras we see in professional TV studios have much to be said about them.  I believe there's pneumatics in the stands that allow graceful movement up and down and side to side.  Whereas video camera - certainly in Britain, is associated with a consumer durable, rather than the professional studio kit.  A history of television cameras would be good too.  So, keep the page, maybe not the content. --bodnotbod 19:24, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. There's a lot of history of television cameras before there were camcorders, and they weren't called video cameras until fairly recently. Anyone heard of orthicons or vidicons? This is the article that should link to them. We already have a start on this I see, great stuff. Andrewa 20:55, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
 * The fact that vidicon redirects to video camera tube (which has additional headings for orthicon and others) doesn't really help your argument :) That the name of the vidicon seems to be derived from video doesn't help much either. -- Cyrius|&#9998 22:19, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: Interesting points, but I don't think they affect the argument. You could similarly argue that the signal from a TV camera was always called a video signal. It was, but the camera was still called a TV camera, I don't know why. It was only when video recording become practical (reel to reel at first) that people started to use the phrase video camera. Funny things happen, see tremolo and vibrato. I was aware of the redirect, I actually added a little content to the video camera tube stub at about the same time I made the vote above. It's a fascinating piece of history IMO, and I'm hopeful that we'll eventually get it well documented... But obviously not without some interesting discussions along the way. Andrewa 14:31, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
 * My reason for suggesting the combination of them is that they're special cases of video camera. A television camera is a high-quality video camera, on some kind of mount, usually with a teleprompter in front of it, and no on-board storage. Camcorder? A portable video camera. They need their own sections under video camera, to be sure, but seperate articles? -- Cyrius|&#9998 15:23, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with Bnotbod above.  Camcorders/videocams and television cameras are two different things.  Jgm 19:53, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cribcage 03:08, 8 May 2004 (UTC)