Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tenby International School, Penang


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran  talk to me! 09:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Tenby International School, Penang

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Fails to satisfy our notability criteria. Contested PROD. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secondary Schools are generally kept on wikipedia per consensus.--Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Citation, please. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:53, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's an "essay not a policy or guideline"; it gives no evidence for the claimed consensus. It also notes that "The current notability guideline for schools and other education institutions is Notability (organizations and companies)", which says "A... school... is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization". What are those sources, for this subject?  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable enough. --Spannerjam (talk) 22:58, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verified secondary schools are invariably kept at AfD and consensus is that they should be kept. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Please provide evidence of this supposed consensus, noting my reply to Phil Bridger, above. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:OUTCOMES. Long-standing consensus here has determined that secondary schools are automatically notable as long as they are verified to exist. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Where is it verified that this school exists? Also, please provide evidence of this supposed long-standing consensus, noting my reply to Phil Bridger, which quotes from WP:OUTCOMES to the contrary, above. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want verification that the school exists then take your pick from these sources. The evidence of this long-standing consensus is in all of the AfD discussions over the last few years in which no article on a verifiable high school has been deleted. Guidelines are supposed to be descriptive of common practice, not prescriptive, so WP:ORG is simply wrong when it comes to high schools. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - verified high school which experience shows that with sufficient local research will invariably meet WP:ORG. No evidence has been adduced that, in this instance, it is not the case. TerriersFan (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't propound the logical fallacy of asking for a negative to be proved; the onus is on those who assert that the school meets out notability criteria to prove that that is the case; this has not yet been done. The requirement is that the subject meets those requirements now, not that it is asserted that it will do at some unspecified point in the future, if some other condition is met. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.