Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Barber


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Terry Barber

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Subject is not notable. The article is completely based on the artist's self published website which is full of unsubstantiated puffery. While the artist has been associated with some notable opera companies and musicians, it has been in only a very minor way. His recordings appear to be on minor labels, and are probably self produced (i.e. not notable). An extensive search through google news and google books has yielded no articles where he is the primary subject, and/or been more than a brief mention in a list of performers in a critical review. 4meter4 (talk) 23:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep – I quickly found 2 articles where Barber is the primary subject: "Countertenor Terry Barber launches Craven Concerts Series", Sun Journal, and "American countertenor Terry Barber to perform Saturday at WNMU", Silver City Sun-News. These are admittedly somewhat regional newspapers, but there quite a few more articles like these and that should satisfy WP:MUSBIO #1. Further, the requirements of #6 and #10 at MUSBIO seem to be well met by Chanticleer, New Trinity Baroque, and his appearance in Sly at the MET and as Orlofsky at Carnegie Hall. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. This profile article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and this one in the Connecticut Post along with the two that Michael listed probably push him over, although they are all pre-concert publicity and based on his own press releases and/or interviews. His work with Chanticleer and New Trinity Baroque (another very poor article) also push him over. The opera claims are very weak and somewhat inflated. The Sly claim is misleading and should be removed. No specific role is mentioned, which always rings alarm bells in articles like this. What does "joining the Met roster" mean? It clearly doesn't mean appearing in a named role on stage. I checked the Met Opera Database overall and especially the full cast lists for all nine performances of Sly and he is mentioned nowhere. He may have been hired as a cover (and obviously was never called upon to cover) or he was in the chorus. Note that no specific role is mentioned for the NYCO 2001 production of Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria either. He is mentioned nowhere in the cast list given in the New York Times review. The Orlovsky was a concert performance of Die Fledermaus. I guess that could be called a "Carnegie Hall debut", but there is nothing to verify that he sang that role apart from his own biography and press releases. If this article is kept, we have to clean it up considerably and reference it properly. Voceditenore (talk) 06:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reliable sources cited in the above discussion. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, reliable sources push him over the WP:GNG hurdle. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC).
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