Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry MacAlmon (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that sources exist to show notability though they aren't yet included in the article. At least one of the delete !votes references (in a roundabout way) WP:HOLE, which is an essay and not policy. (non-admin closure) clpo13(talk) 21:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Terry MacAlmon
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While the previous AfD for this musician claimed some albums were published by a major record label (thus satisfying NMUSIC), I can't find a single independent reliable source to back this up; as far as I can tell they are therefore not notable. Sam Walton (talk) 16:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC) Sam Walton (talk) 16:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 19:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete as my searches easily found nothing better for a better notable article here. Notifying 1st AfDer and also Christian user who participates at Christian music AfDs, .  SwisterTwister   talk  05:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per the reasons given in the previous AFD. Stifle (talk) 09:15, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: He is notable per general notability guidelines and musician's biographies, where he has been written about in Cross Rhythms (here) and per the Google books search. His music has been released by Integrity Music and INO Records, where they are major record labels in the Christian music industry, per AllMusic and Cross Rhythms.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am going to ping some other editors who edit Christian music related articles and bring them into the discussion. The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone, I'm Metalworker14, I was brought in via The Cross Bearer. In my opinion, he might be notable, but it needs more references and notes to prove that case. Just my opinion, not that it matters. --Metalworker14 (Yo) 14:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Everyone's opinion matters on an AfD, as long as they aren't a sockpuppet or blocked/banned.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep if better referenced: There are at least two books that discuss MacAlmon in detail, as well as the Cross Rhythms source. I also found a Crosswalk] piece. Per Metalworker14, though, these sources must be integrated into the article. -- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I have found source that show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject: http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/news/Return_To_Ministry/39379/p1/ and http://www.crosswalk.com/church/worship/meet-and-greet-terry-macalmon-1187262.html among others. There are even two AllMusic reviews: http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-worship-mw0000663283 and http://www.allmusic.com/album/i-came-to-worship-you-mw0000229115 albeit without prose. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Potential keep -- He seems quite sufficiently prolific to be worth an article. I do not read it as overly promotional.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:03, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Really? Seems like a fairly straightforward keep; the sources above are enough to convince me at least. Sam Walton (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If so, I'll close it as speedy keep. Will wait for your reply. Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a bit late for a speedy keep, I just meant that you could have safely left it for an admin to close since it seems a fairly clear decision. Will post somewhere to get it closed, to save this being open for another week. Sam Walton (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - Appears to pass notability criteria. I don't think the relisting was a waste, other than the fact that no one else commented.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


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