Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Ward


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Terry Ward

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Questionable notability; other than imdb listing for some minor roles, all references are from subject's site. I don't see many 3rd party reliable source mentions outside of his hometown of Harrisonburg, VA. OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- Tavix |  Talk  16:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Forget IMDB and the few films he's been in. Ward's sourcable notability is through his being an artist... and THAT has been covered in many reliable sources. I will report back after giving the article the needed sourcing and cleanup. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 21:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  — freshacconci  talk talk  03:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This doesn't pass WP:CREATIVE. His major claim to notability is that "he was thought to have influenced the Tribute in Light temporary memorial". That's a bit much--where's the proof of this? I can't speak of his notability as an actor, but this fails WP:NOTE as an artist.  freshacconci  talk talk  03:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article is full of hyperbole. But that is best addressed through normal editing... including cleanup and sourcing... not deletion. As more editors come forward willing to look into addressing sourcing concerns, the article should become quite suitable. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - per freshacconci. There are editors right here coming forward and saying they've looked and come up dry for sources. I found three sites that even mention his art - one is his own self-published blog on brooklynartproject.com, another is his self-published profile on "Artomatic" and the other is artandjunk.com where he sells his own work. There is no verifiable third party that can back up the Al Gore claim. Deadchildstar (talk) 12:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added some info to the article in the past month, so I like it of course. It is a pity that users like Ohnoitsjamie and freshacconci seem to have declared war on it lately.

I actually LIKE a more inclusive ---more encyclopediac (sp?)--- Wiki. I like how, for instance, every last predreadnaught is listed. Why even Danton-class French predreadnoughts are here.

As for artists, many civilians think The Art Book (ISBN 9-78014-836256) is quite quite inclusive ---lots of really obscure artists there. And yet Wiki beats The Art Book in my mind since the book excludes a lot of less famous but still major artists like Keith Haring, Judith Leyster, Félix González-Torres. Wiki also lists really obscure artists like Mark Lewis (artist), Ian Carr-Harris, Kazuo Nakamura, Lisa Steele, Terry Fox (artist), and so many others. This is good. I go to Wiki to learn new material, not just to review only what I already know.

This article has been protected by various admins for over five years I think. It is finally getting better detail and is improving under more admins' care.

Keep. Cramyourspam (talk) 12:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)cramyourspam
 * There's a big difference between obscurity and being non-notable. The artists you list above, all taken from my userpage's list of articles I created (cute), may be obscure to an American audience, but the articles are sourced and these artists have achieved notability in Canada. You could easily go through the cultural history of any nation and point out individuals who are "obscure" in other cultures. However, what is important for Wikipedia is notability and verified sources to back it up. Terry Ward does not appear to satisfy this. Wikipedia is not a directory and does not list every working artist in the world. There are other forums available for that.  freshacconci  talk talk  13:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see the notability as an artist; "best in show" at the Sage Moon Gallery and "submitting ideas" and designs to various big-name organizations do not support it.  --CliffC (talk) 12:42, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. Also, many of the film roles are very small, uncredited, and/or look like extras roles. Clubmarx (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Cramyourspam (talk) 21:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)Cramyourspam.
 * Keep And indeed one must look out for self-promoting actors, though this looks like a non-self article.  The "Rocktown" and the "Lives and Deaths of The Poets" roles however look like proper speaking roles, not mere being an extra.  They'd qualify for SAG anyway, assuming they were contract films.

* Keep for now anyway. We'll see what the latest Admin helping this article along is up to... Artshoworganizer (talk) 03:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)Artshoworganizer (user blocked as sockpuppet of Cramyourspam)
 * Delete per nom...Modernist (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * weak delete. Does not seem notable, as an artist or an actor. Also appears to have a day job unrelated to either of those things. One of the main authors also has a COI with the subject. Hairhorn (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

WHAT "sock" ?!? That's Hairhorn/ Freshaconni / OhNoItsJamie hate-rubbish. I Don't know who who ArtShowOrganizer is, but I see a person sympathetic to the Hairhorn / OhNoItsJamie / Freshacconi attacks and also someone who has suggested other articles for deletion (not ~just~ those from the aforementioned hate-users ---in my opinion). I do think ArtShowOrganizer is at my workplace ---I'll look into it. 01:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)CramYourSpam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cramyourspam (talk • contribs)
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