Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas State Highway Loop 118


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to U.S. Route 377 in Texas. None of the keep voters have shown evidence of significant coverage and many are basically admitting that the article is non-notable, but we should keep it indefinitely because the ideal merge target doesn't exist. If List of Texas state highways shorter than one mile is created in the future the history of this article will still be here and it can be merged there too. Jenks24 (talk) 09:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Texas State Highway Loop 118

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Fails WP:USRD/NT and WP:GNG. The route is 0.209 miles long, and there just isn't a lot that can be said about it that is actually notable. Open to the possibility of merging somewhere else. Rschen7754 22:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into a related routes section on U.S. Route 377 in Texas. I don't have an issue with having information about this route, but I agree that it fails GNG. –Fredddie™ 22:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into either a related routes section for U.S. Route 377 or some kind of list of routes shorter than one mile whenever it is created. The information should be presented, but not as its own article.  V C  22:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Torn. Passes WP:USRD/NT as part of a primary state highway system (Farm to Market Roads are the secondary system, not the loops/spurs), but is in the significant gray area in the GNG.  Has notability, but is it significant? Has sources, primary and secondary, which are reliable and independent. But Wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of information, either.  But if this isn't notable, how does this compare to Delaware Route 9A, M-143 (Michigan highway), Pennsylvania Route 958, New Jersey Route 187, Washington State Route 117, or County Route 168 (Sullivan County, New York)? 25or6to4 (talk) 12:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at WA 117, it seems that there's at least some notable information in that article, beyond descriptions of sidewalks and scenery. --Rschen7754 21:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Create List of Texas state highways shorter than one mile and merge Loop 118 and any other short routes there.  Dough 48  72  15:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as main contributor. I request that the GAN be failed, I do not feel the article is appropriate right now. Per 25or6to4, this route about equally significant to several other similar highways of about the same length. Merging this route to List of Texas state highways shorter than one mile would not work, as Texas has over 100 highways that would need to be redirected to the list, so it would be way too long. Oak Street has existed since the late 1800's, before Roanoke was even established. In 2005, Roanoke began improving Oak Street in a huge, several hundred-thousand dollar revitalization project. Oak Street itself is notable, and Loop 118 could be merged to Oak Street (Roanoke, Texas) possibly. - Awardgive, the editor with the msitaken name. 18:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Or Merge to Oak Street article. - Awardgive, the editor with the msitaken name. 18:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I doubt Oak Street is notable enough for its own article.  Dough 48  72  22:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the list, the list can always be split by classification (regular, Loop/Spur, FM, etc.). Maryland has a less than one mile list that is split by number.  Dough 48  72  02:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, with no prejudice against merging. The information should be somewhere, since it's part of a primary state highway system, but there's probably never going to be all that much to say about this highway. I like Dough4872's suggestion to create List of Texas state highways shorter than one mile, since I'm guessing Texas has a lot of these sorts of roads based on the size of its highway system, and neither U.S. Route 377 in Texas nor List of state highway loops in Texas is an ideal merge target. If the list gets too long, it can be split up by number or highway type, like Maryland's list. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 22:40, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete I'm sorry, but there is no way that a road that spans two blocks and has no unique or interesting features or history should have a stand article. It's a back street, otherwise indistinguishable from all other back streets save that it happens to be a state road purely out of convenience. Trying to argue that it meets the GNG is rather silly, IMO.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to move this page to my userspace, so I can further research it and expand it. - Awardgive, the editor with the msitaken name. 22:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, without prejudice to merge to a list of "routes less than one mile" as indicated in the future. I'd avoid a merge to the US 377 article unless it can be shown that this is a former routing of that highway (which many of the loops/spurs on the system are). There are quite a few of these routes on the state highway system and they do de facto pass WP:USRD/NT (and thus should be included in some fashion herein), but there isn't much in the way of secondary sources to expand upon them, especially when the only major intersections are the endpoints. -- Kinu  t/c 07:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per User:Fredddie and I oppose the creation of routes less than (some arbitrary length - be it 1 mile, 2 miles, 5 miles, 32.7 furlongs, a half-marathon, not further than the eye can see - all of which have no real-world meaning or consequences) type articles; why not routes less than 100 miles and clean the whole category? . Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope you aren't advocating for the deletion of California State Route 52, which clearly has enough sources even though it is under 100 miles. The issue is having enough to say about the route; very short routes have this problem (typically under 1 mile), but there are definite exceptions. --Rschen7754 18:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto the article on the Capitol Loop in Lansing, Michigan. There will probably never be a good arbitrary minimum length for an article on a highway, and they all have to be judged on a case-by-case basis. That said, the <1 mile lists have been a good thing for dealing with examples in some states, but not in all.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep without prejudice for a possible merge in the future.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, suggest further merge discussion may take place on the article's talk page, so that such talks can proceed at a more leisurely pace, as there's clearly some confusion above about where a proper merge might be, and even if such a measure is even warranted, at all. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.