Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thai Airways Flight 358


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. — TKD::Talk 07:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thai Airways Flight 358

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Article subject cannot be verified by Reliable Sources, despite concerted effort by Aviation accident task force‎. Dali-Llama 03:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Previous AfD under former name is here.


 * Delete. Further to user:Dalillama, this article appears to be about an incident that never happened. Whether this is a deliberate hoax or a good faith mistake, I'm not entirely sure. There was a non-notable (in the encyclopedic sense) minor collision that is similar to the story here, but with different flight numbers (see the article talk page). The episode of the show Mayday that supposedly describe this incident may also be a hoax and is being investigated. Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Redirect. Mostly appears sourced from the Mayday showing (source of debatable quality), which appear to be directly refuted by other quality sources per the talk page and previous AFD. May just meet a notability threshold because of the Mayday showing but would vote to redirect the entry to a proper Thai Airways Flight 602 article or  Thai Airways International.  Zedla 05:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The Mayday article is probably a hoax.As far as I can tell, there were only 10 episodes in season 4, and this is supposedly in episode 12 (I've commented the episode out). There has never been a Mayday episode on Flight 602. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The following information is provided for Bangkok (longitude E100.5, latitude N13.8): Tuesday 19 April 2005 Universal Time + 7h
 * Delete, Though I'm not 100% sure it is a hoax the article doesn't even say which episode of Mayday this accident was supposedly featured. The article's reference doesn't seem to mesh with what's going on in the stills. It discusses the incident as minor and I couldn't find anything else about it on "The Nation". Plus the cabin photo with the deployed masks claims to be from the TV show yet the pic is credited to the author of this article who was supposedly aboard Flight 358. If the computer generated stills and this photo show the same plane I'd expect to see some daylight where the cabin was ripped open by the wing based on the sunlight coming through the windows visible. I sort of have a problem with the sunlight too considering this accident was supposed to have happened at 19:50 on 19 April and the USNO says the sun that day was already set:

SUN Begin civil twilight     05:41 Sunrise                  06:03 Sun transit              12:17 Sunset                   18:32 End civil twilight       18:54
 * Anynobody 05:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable event morphed into a hoax by this edit by a user describing a catastrophic explosion that nobody in the media seemed to notice.  The article's talk page goes into sufficient depth about researchers being unable to locate any mention of such an incident, even if you use the correct flight number, and Anynoby's comments above seem pretty compelling. Neil916 (Talk) 05:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - superb sleuthing. Appears to be a non-notable accident transformed into a hoax.  --Haemo 06:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - If based on a episode of the tv series a redirect might be appropiate, if not since it doesn't appear real specially since a quick search only points back here, so deletion per WP:HOAX appears adecuate. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  07:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - if it is a hoax, then it should be deleted as per WP:HOAX, WP:N, and WP:V. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 07:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per the investigations conducted on the talk page, I am totally convinced that we have a hoax here. Ironicaly, my opinion in the original AfD was to keep - but then, we believed it had actually happened at that point. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete (again) per nom and my earlier comments on the article talk page. Cheers, Ian Rose 12:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This sounds suspiciously like another "two planes collided in Thailand and caught on fire and everybody escaped before it exploded" article that we voted on last month. Either lightning must strike twice in Bangkok, or it's a hoax by someone who doesn't like Thai Airways.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandsford (talk • contribs) 12:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the same article. Link to old AfD added below nom. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 13:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as patent nonsense. Any real accident of this magnitude would have actual news coverage.  The policy wonks have gone mad sending stuff like this to AfD.  Things like this should have be speedied to avoid wasting time.  There's nothing to discuss here.  - Jehochman  Talk 18:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete (again) per nom, per talk page discussion at article. No verifiable sources confirm article claims, and the apparent real incident would probably not pass notability standards. More to the point, though, strong evidence that this is a hoax. Sacxpert 18:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and block user for a period of time. No such accident occured on 19 April 2005. UTAFA 21:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The anonymous user who has spent some time editing this article is currently blocked. Flyguy649 talk contribs 21:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.