Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thailand women's national volleyball team results (2010–19)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 22:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Thailand women's national volleyball team results (2010–19)

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This was draftified by User:Boleyn, with the comment, "unref article not ready for mainspace; creator has not responded..." Has not been edited since. Since draft isn't an indefinite holding space, I've moved it back to main space and brought it to AfD to determine whether it should be kept or deleted. Paul_012 (talk) 05:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 (talk) 05:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 (talk) 05:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Paul_012 (talk) 05:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Anyway, I've copied some references into the article, so if the lack of references were your only concern, it has now been resolved. This doesn't make the list less CRUFTy; perhaps there are others who still think it should be deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It was moved to draft for a reason, don't move it back to mainspace. Especially don't move somethign solely to nominate for deletion. After 6 months in draft space(which it hasn't been), it can be nominated for G13 CSD. If you don't want to wait the 6 months then you want to nominate it for MFD. WikiVirusC (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It never felt appropriate to me to move an article to draft space and then have it deleted at MFD. IMO, it was an article for the majority of its existence, it should be deleted at AfD. This isn't against any policy, as far as I know. Do correct me if I'm wrong. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * MFD was only suggested if you don't want to wait the 6 months. Your deletion rational in nomination was draft space isn't an indefinite holding space, which is what G13 was created to deal with. If 6 months is the guideline that has been given for time in draft space before deletion, why do this now only 4 months after it was put into draft space, or 5 and some change since the last edit before the draftify? If you don't feel it belongs in mainspace, we shouldn't move it here. I can't say you broke an official policy with the nomination, but I would refer to WP:NOTCLEANUP - If there's good, eventually sourceable, content in the article, it should be developed and improved, not deleted. With a draft, should be even more forgiving with that. WikiVirusC (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't have mentioned that, as it wasn't really relevant; struck now. I am not arguing for the page to be deleted, though. To the contrary, I disagree with eventual deletion through G13 in draft space, which is why I moved it back to main space. I've brought it to AfD hoping to find a definite answer on whether it should be kept or deleted (as would probably eventually happen if nothing was done). --Paul_012 (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Draftify, this is an unsourced draft - you've moved it to mainspace but do you know if any of the information is correct, have you verified it? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no policy reason saying that articles should be moved to draft just because they are unsourced. (And it was an article before you draftified it). We have already seen that this isn't going to be improved in draft space. Moving to draft is effectively deletion with a six-month delay. Why not have it deleted now, instead of waiting another pointless six months?
 * Delete with no prejudice towards re-publishing once references are added. Hmlarson (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The references in the article are all primary sources, and thus do nothing to establish WP:N.    -- RoySmith (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, the page consists nearly entirely of tables of results, so of course the sources are primary. For that sort of data, primary sources are the best sources.  The comment does beg the question of what sort of sources would be acceptable in an article like this to establish notability.  If it just remains tables there is no point asking for anything more.  However, if the page were to be expanded with some prose, there seems to be plenty of sources out there discussing the team's results.  Here is a sample
 * Thai women's volleyball team set world scoring record, Bangkok Post
 * Women's volleyball team wins gold, Bangkok Post, "The Thai women's national volleyball team has won its 10th successive gold medal"
 * FIVEB article with some discussion of their 2009 results
 * Spinning<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 17:25, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 17:41, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:ATHLETE inexplicably excludes volleyball, and I was having trouble finding notability guidelines for a country's national sport teams, but since almost every other country that has a national sport team that has played in an international contest is considered notable, I'm assuming the same here. This long list of results wouldn't work in the team's main article. I tagged it with refimprove to encourage references. Oddly, the Thailand women's national volleyball team article is completely unsourced, and I also tagged it. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, so this page is now better sourced than its parent article! <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 19:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * True! <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep if it is notable (the last couple show it might be) and can be sourced properly. WP:NSEASONS is possibly relevant in part as well: it appears these games get good national coverage in Thailand, so they probably pass that as well. SportingFlyer  talk  02:55, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


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