Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/That Girl (David Choi song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – GorillaWarfare talk • contribs 16:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

That Girl (David Choi song)

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 * Song was released only on Youtube, and doesn't even appear to be very Youtube popular. No independent sources.  Artist is currently under AfD; if artist survives, a redirect can be left. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Why should this be deleted? It is a real song, and it was NOT only released on YouTube (iTunes, Album: By My Side) and it is notable. Wikipedia, Qwyrxian is not resourceful. ONLY YOUTUBE? NOT THAT POPULAR? Check out our iPods, iPhones, handphones, Androids, computers! David Choi IS notable, IS good, IS famous, IS on Wikipedia (and will forever be), has HIS songs on Wikipedia (and will forever be) and IS #7 most subscribed musician on YouTube. YOUTUBE. It's hard to achieve this, so please recognise this song, him, and HIM! Wikipedia, I trust you and if you let someone as unresourceful as Qwyrxian delete articles like that just because she's good, you will lose a lot of WikiReaders like me. - TorresAndChicharito — Preceding unsigned comment added by TorresAndChicharito (talk • contribs) 10:48, 1 April 2011 (UTC)  — TorresAndChicharito (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Please review WP:MUSIC. No one is denying the song exist.  No one is denying that Choi is well-recognized on YouTube.  I haven't commented on Choi's article, and Choi may very well qualify for an article.  But even the best musicians almost never have an article for every single song they've ever written.  We have a principle on WP, called WP:GNG, which says that only things which have been discussed by multiple, independent, reliable sources can have their own articles.  If you know of such sources for this song, please add them to the article.  Qwyrxian (talk) 12:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Unsourced article on self-released recording by "unsigned" musician. no evidence of notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete/Merge - Fails notability as per WP:NSONG. There are no reliable sources to demonstrate the significance of the song and no claim of notability. The info, if it standup for WP:VERIFY as it appears to be original research, can be merged into either the main article for the album.--Michaela den (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * What can I do to save this article? How do I save it from deletion? Tell me how I can edit it, then I WILL. Just don't delete it... Give the ol' boy some time... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TorresAndChicharito (talk • contribs) 09:42, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Unsourced article by relentlessly single-purpose fan on self-released recording by unsigned musician. No evidence whatsoever of notability for this song; author seems to feel that all songs by his/her beloved artist must be notable because they are by David Choi. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * Keep Google news archive search at the top of the AFD, can be pressed, and you can then search for "That Girl" AND "David Choi" and find results. This article is about the song itself.  Elsewhere on that site, which covers Asian American news, it mentions in a concert review  David Choi further warmed the hearts of everyone at the concert singing three of his hit songs, “Won’t Even Start”,  “ By My Side”, and “That Girl".  So they mention its a hit song of his.  He uses this song to audition at America's Got Talent but it doesn't say if he got on or not. The other two news sites that show results are both hidden behind a paywall.  Hopefully my Credo 250 account will be approved soon, and I'll be able to access it.  A hit song from a notable musician, this article should be saved.   D r e a m Focus  03:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Last point first: being a song from a notable musician does not automatically make a song notable; WP:MUSIC even says that most songs are not notable enough for their own articles. Channelapa is not a reliable source, nor are they a "news site" in the sense that Wikipedia means. Per their About page: "In a nutshell, we want to help Asian American artists out there" and "We’re a small, but growing crew. We volunteer our time to increase the visibility of Asian Americans in entertainment cuz we’re passionate about it." Just showing up in a Google News search doesn't actually guarantee the source meets WP:RS.  Qwyrxian (talk) 03:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: no indication that topics meets either WP:NSONG or WP:GNG (none of the meagre Google News hits appear to be "significant coverage in reliable sources" -- Channelapa certainly appears to fail as WP:RS). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.