Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/That Handsome Devil (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 16:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

That Handsome Devil
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The band's only apparent item of note up until recently was the inclusion of a track in Guitar Hero II. A song has been included in List of songs in Rock Band 2. Recent edits have been attempting to wikilink to the band's article, leading to a number of articles that incorrectly point towards Guitar Hero (as per the original redirect). If not deletion, the article is in need dire need of cleanup/creation in order to avoid confusion caused by linking a band name to a video game article they have no connection to save for a single song. -- TRTX T / C 16:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * NOTE: - Looking at the article's history, attempts were made to flesh out the article here, which were then rejected and removed in one fell swoop here. I would be in support of keeping the article if it's allowed to be reverted to a state similiar to the first link. -- TRTX T / C 16:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * NOTE: - WP:Music #10 was originally used to apply to this band. However, with the inclusion in a second work of note (Rock Band 2), the question becomes which one would the redirect apply to? -- TRTX T / C 17:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This article "deleted" on August 10, 2007 with a redirect to List of songs in Guitar Hero II left behind. TRTX seems to be disagreeing with that deletion? If so, it would seem that deletion review is more appropriate, or a redirect deletion discussion, not restoring the original article against the previous deletion discussion, then renominating it for deletion. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Response - As stated above, the use of WP: Music referenced in the original AfD no longer applies. I have restored the article to a previous state that attempted to fulfil the request to build a more substantial article as a temporary place holder so that both articles referencing the band actually point to the band (rather than RB2 unexplicably linking to GHII).  It is inaccurate to present That Handsome Devil as relevent only due to inclusion in GHII when we now have a second noteable item which also references it.  I support deletion if it is decided that the band is not noteable enough to support a full article.  But I do not support the inaccurate redirect. -- TRTX T / C 02:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete the band is still unnotable and the article is no different from it was when it was deleting via redirect last time. Due to the issue of link conflicts, go with full deletion rather than redirect. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   —--  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   —--  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. I was prepared to endorse deletion, but I just can't shake feeling that it's inappropriate to delete the article because we don't know what to do with it. The group's original claim to notability - having a song available on a notable game as a bonus track - was weak. It now has a stronger claim - yet another song will be featured in a different notable game. As a result of this increased notability, the article now should be deleted? The guidelines are to be read with common sense, and to me the easiest way to avoid a paradoxical result is to keep the version mentioned by the nom. Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  15:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. agreed that the whole delete/redirect/unredirect/delete thing is ass-backwards, but looking at this AfD in isolation still points to the band being not-notable enough for an article. We delete article by bands with greater success this early in there careers until they have enough reliable sources and pass WP:MUSIC. Some of the older Singstar games were mostly songs by unknown musicians that have never gone on to achieve enough success to have an article - inclusion in a game is very little claim to notability, and nor is being on a compilation. I say delete now, and allow recreation if/when the first album gets enough press, or wait for the 2nd album.Yobmod (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.