Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TheFatRat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Those citing WP:MUSIC appear to accurately reflect our notability guidelines. Arguments citing that someone is notable for merely being signed to a major label (and/or that they've released a single album via that signing) does not accurately reflect our notability guidelines. Similarly, being certain that the person will eventually meet the guideline also fails our crystal-ball policy. Issues surrounding the guideline itself and improvements thereto should be addressed at the guideline's talk page. slakr \ talk / 02:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

TheFatRat

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Non-notable musician. Fails WP:Music -  The   Magnificentist  16:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -  The   Magnificentist  16:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -  The   Magnificentist  16:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - His Jackpot EP was released by one of the "big three music labels," Universal Music Group. He also released a single Splinter on Spinnin' Records. He has appeared on Axis, a radio show from DancingAstronaut, a music news outlet with over 100,000 SoundCloud followers. His remix of Diplo's "Set It Off" was featured on Mad Decent's Express Yourself Remix EP. His remix of Martin Solveig's "The Night Out" was released on Solveig's The Night Out EP alongside remixes from Madeon and A-Trak. He currently gains an average of over 2,500 subscribers and 500,000 views every day on YouTube, with 1.1 million subs and 189 million cummulative views. Having over 1 million subscribers makes his channel eligible for a Gold Play Button, although he seems to have either not requested it or not publicly mentioned it if he has received it. Clbsfn (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * His music is on iHeartRadio and Pandora Radio. His remix of "If So" by Atlas Genius was released alongside remixes by Wild Cub, Magic Man, Goldroom, Pierce Fulton, St. Lucia, and Xaphoon Jones on the album So Electric: When It Was Now (The Remixes) released by Warner Bros. Records. Clbsfn (talk) 05:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * From the notability (music) page: "[must have] received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." Billboard mentioned Büttner's tour in North America. Clbsfn (talk) 05:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Signed to major record labels. Per above. --Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - being signed to a major record label doesn't indicate notability. The musician would have to release 3 or more albums on one of the labels per WP:MUSICBIO. - The   Magnificentist  07:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment From the Notability (Music) page: "[must have] released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." His work has been released on two major record labels, Warner Bros. Records and Universal Music Group as well as two significant indepedent labels, Spinnin' Records and Mad Decent. His work has also been released on the labels Tasty Network and MrSuicideSheep, which are part of The District, a Canadian company which is also partnered with Monstercat, Trap Nation, Proximity, and other music labels. Clbsfn (talk) 18:08, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * His work, as in EPs? They don't count as albums. LPs are albums not EPs. - The   Magnificentist  07:26, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Büttner's release of an EP on a major record label (Universal Music) is not a singular event. He will almost certainly release more content on the label or on other major labels, most likely leading to the point where he will have released two LPs on such labels. From WP:N - "While notability itself is not temporary, from time to time, a reassessment of the evidence of notability or suitability of existing articles may be requested by any user via a deletion discussion, or new evidence may arise for articles previously deemed unsuitable. Thus, an article may be proposed for deletion months or even years after its creation, or recreated whenever new evidence supports its existence as a standalone article." Also from WP:N - "Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Just as a lagging economic indicator indicates what the economy was doing in the past, a topic is "notable" in Wikipedia terms only if the outside world has already "taken notice of it". Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. However, sustained coverage is an indicator of notability." The case can be made that as TheFatRat releases more music, his popularity will increase, leading to more coverage in articles in significant websites or interviews with significant magazines. Furthermore, WP:Music does not specify the exact definition of the term "album." The word, when referring to music recordings, can be very flexible. From the article Album: While an album may contain as many or as few tracks as required, the criteria for the UK Albums Chart is that a recording counts as an "album" if it either has more than four tracks or lasts more than 25 minutes. Sometimes shorter albums are referred to as "mini-albums" or EPs. There are no formal rules against artists referring to their own releases under thirty minutes as "albums". The criteria for being an "album" in the article is only taken from the UK Albums Chart, whose guidelines an artist working in Germany is not obligated to follow. The US's most significant album chart, the Billboard 200, puts EPs on its list alongside albums. Clbsfn (talk) 05:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Büttner hasn't just released the Jackpot EP on a major record label. He also released the radio edit of his single "Monody" through Universal Music. (broadwayworld.com - TheFatRat Releases 'Monody' feat. Laura Brehm) Having released an official radio version of a single and an entire 4-track EP with Universal Music, it's safe to assume that he will release a full album with this label, if not multiple. Clbsfn (talk) 06:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Also from WP:MUSICBIO: "[must have] become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." Büttner is certainly one of the most prominent musicians of the glitch-hop genre. Clbsfn (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:33, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Falls short of WP:MUSIC#5 by having zero albums. Falls short of #7 by lack of independent sourcing. Hit counts are nice but are not good enough by themselves. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass any of our inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment From WP:MUSICBIO: "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." This alone would qualify Büttner for an article, since he is one of the most prominent musicians in the genre glitch-hop. If you google "Thefatrat albums," his Jackpot EP will be brought up as an "album" by Google. The term album when used on WP:MUSICBIO is not specific, and can be used to refer to a music recording of any length. Büttner is signed on to Casablanca Records, a division of a major music label, alongside such artists as Martin Solveig, Tiësto, Sub Focus, and Stromae. He has already released a single (Monody Radio Edit) and an album (Jackpot) on this label. He will almost certainly release more albums on this label in the near future, bringing his total number of albums on a major music label (Universal Music Group) to two. Clbsfn (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * From WP:MUSICBIO: "Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." The magazine Billboard covers his tour in this article. Clbsfn (talk) 22:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This article from MLive mentions his performing at the Electric Forest Festival. The magazine DJMag has an article about his album Jackpot EP. This article describes him as a "pioneer of the gaming music genre." From WP:MUSICBIO: "Is cited by reliable sources as having established a tradition or school in a particular music genre." Clbsfn (talk) 23:03, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment and Provisional Keep Whoa! This article and nomination raise questions. First, WP:NM doesn't even mention YouTube, which seems quite an oversight in 2017. This gentleman has over a million subscribers and almost 200 million views. Address that! Further: is "Broadway World" a reliable source? This article is almost toast without it. The site is well done, the tone isn't overly promotional or breathless—it's well written. It would be a good idea to leave this article as it is, until and unless these issues are addressed and resolved. Tapered (talk) 04:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


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