Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TheFatRat (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

TheFatRat
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Not a notable person yet per sources, most of the references are from YouTube. WP:GNG not pass and WP:BLP fail. Also not meet with WP:MUSIC notability guide. Siddiqsazzad001      08:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Hmm, good points. Here are my two cents:
 * 1. WP:MUSIC: It seems that he is meeting the WP:MUSIC guidelines: The second line of the article states that one of his songs was #23 on a US billboard chart, which adheres to #2 of the WP:MUSIC guidelines?
 * 2. WP:GNG: To my count, 12/19 references are not from Youtube. Even if you exclude SoundCloud and Itunes, that's still 9/19 references that aren't from Youtube. If these independent secondary reliable sources do not meet standards for WP:GNG (since frankly I could be wrong about what qualifies and what does not), then maybe it's just a matter of incorporating more reliable sources inside the article rather than deleting, and this deletion nomination could serve as an adequate call for attention. If you do a Google News search, then there are many more reliable sources about TheFatRat that we could incorporate.
 * 3. WP:BLP: What exactly from WP:BLP seems out of place? And could it be addressed through the point in #2? Abagh0703 (talk) 11:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as he has had a national Billboard charting release as verified in the article so passes criteria 1 of WP:NMUSIC, and he has also received significant coverage in reliable sources such as Billboard in this article devoted to him and Broadway World shown here so passes WP:GNG as well and deseves to be included. He has also had releases on a major record label, namely Universal. thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 15:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC) (was asked to comment by Hermit Curator)


 * What about WP:BLP? Hermit maybe come from Twitter, after the famous person announcement for save his article and to request you. Siddiqsazzad001       15:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * It has reliable sources so WP:BLP is not an issue Atlantic306 (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment Although this is weak on reliable sources, the subject may very well be notable per Billboard charts and major label association. But the Soundcloud and YouTube references need removed if this article is kept. FYI,, Broadway World is not a reliable source, per source review discussions. It is a website that relies on submitted press releases for content. Note to Admin that there is WP:CANVASING going on by the subject, as pointed out by Siddiqsazzad001, which could jeopardize the integrity of this AfD discussion. ShelbyMarion (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Broadway World has always been a reliable source irrespective of what a few editors have said at AFD lately. All news publishers use press releases Atlantic306 (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Keep He has placed on significant Billboard charts that qualify him for notability on Wikipedia. On top of that, numerous news sources such as The Daily Dot, YourEDM, Digital Music News, and TechDirt have covered his recent issue with YouTube's copyright ID system and his petition to YouTube. If the YouTube and SoundCloud plays on the article make it seem less professional, then it's simple enough to just remove them, and keep the article. Christian Büttner is a notable individual who deserves to have his Wikipedia article kept. Not only does he have a national Billboard charting release, his Jackpot EP, but he has worked with notable musicians Anjulie, Lola Blanc, and produced official music for the video game Dota 2. Embryo Yall (talk) 23:37, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Keep Because he has entered the Billboard charts several times, he should be all good, but I highly recommend that the references get completely redone. Half of the references are primary sources but all of them look lazily slapped in with no details added to them, which makes them look sketchy. If this cannot be done, then the article should be deleted, but for now, I trust that the article can be improved. Micro (Talk) 02:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: There is no single source in Discography section except EPs, it have SoundCloud and iTunes sources (Self-published). There is WP:CANVASING going on by the subject. Siddiqsazzad001      04:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Source from DJ Mag, a significant news source, has been added for Jackpot EP. Further sources will be added soon for other releases. Embryo Yall (talk) 01:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


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