Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The (original) Rolling Stones


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 12:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The (original) Rolling Stones

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Contested prod. Article about a band that claims to have coined the name "Rolling Stones" before the more famous band used it. No third-party references to support that claim, and this band has no claim to notability. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 15:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - doesn't seem to have been a notable band then or now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BAND T-95 (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Although I found this about a British group that registered its name in 1957, I found nothing in Google books about Kitson "Kit" Keen, nor about a connection between Mick Morris and a group called the Stones, nor anything that supports the claims on the websites linked within the article.  Mandsford (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Psst! Uncle G (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * &hellip; and your search string was "original rolling stones", I notice. The band's name was, it is claimed, "The Rolling Stones".  No "original". Uncle G (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's one of the few search strings that turned up anything, and it was something different than what's on this page. I also searched under "Mick Morris" and stones, "Mick Morris" and rolling, and "Kitson Keen", "Kit Keen", etc.  I would love to find something else besides Mick Morris's website that supports this.  Needless to say, a lot has been written about the Rolling Stones and I can't find anything else online to corroborate what's on mickmorris.com.  Mandsford (talk) 20:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Jack Castle album sleeve notes check out. As does the "Kent Gigs guide".  They are both cited in the article.  Have a look at them.  (They are both part of the same outfit, however, note.  Also observe that there is a distinct possibility that their information on this subject originates solely with Mick Morris, and that they aren't independent sources.) Uncle G (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 18:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  --  J mundo 18:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mandsford. There are no sources to verify what Mick Morris' website said. Searches for various key terms and the members' names turned up bupkis. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 21:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind me responding to some of the points made - and I hope I'm doing it in the right place this time! As I said before, I'm very new to all this and find it quite mind boggling!

First regarding 'notability', my contention is not that the band is notable but that because of the name, the article itself is. As regards Jack Castle, there is a connection but not the one being suggested. Mick Morris and Jack Castle were both members of another British band, Mirkwood, in the 1970s. In the sleeve notes to his recent album, Jack is recalling an earlier time when on several occasions he was present in the audience at performances by the Dover-based Rolling Stones. On this subject, it may be worth mentioning that the 'Mirkwood' album has been re-released for international distribution several times betwen 1992 and 2007 and that there references are made to Mick Morris' membership of both bands in the accompanying booklets, sleeve and liner notes. The record companies referred to are 10th Planet Records, Amber Soundroom, Thor's Hammer and Red Admiral. Whilst writing, I would appreciate it if someone could advise me as to whether the correspondence from Southern Television executives confirming the band's TV appearances would be considered a reliable source or indeed photographic evidence from the show. Mainmiguel (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete The band must be notable itself. If it is interesting in a members past it should just be mentioned in that article. The band clearly does not meet WP:Band--Sabrebd (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.