Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 1978 Demos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Dead Kennedys discography. Lacking significant coverage in reliable secondary sources (in both the article and the discussion), redirecting seems the best option per the notability guideline for albums. Regards,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 18:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The 1978 Demos

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No reliable secondary sources, only primary sources. Statements such as "It is presently unknown where the tracks were recorded. The band members have made no official statement regarding the tracks, other than guitarist Ray's mention; "The only theory we have is that there was a rehearsal studio that we used to rehearse at that had a recording studio next door, and that someone taped us one day and that's what that tape is". No further information is available." only assert non-notability. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 00:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication that these are notable demos. Demos which nobody has ever even acknowledged exist are impossible to be verifiable.  The fact that the article only says "This lineup recorded their first demos" tells me how non-notable these really are. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete for the reasons stated above. Those in the know will say that the possible existence of bootlegged copies of these demos is an item of interest in the history of the Dead Kennedys. At any rate, this can be mentioned (and verified, if possible) at the band's article. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 22:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Early demos of an obviously WP:N band. The bootleg-only status isn't a complete dealbreaker, there's still historical significance. We have an entire article devoted to bootleg recordings of the Beatles, and articles like Great White Wonder, Chrome Dreams, and of course SMiLE demonstrate quite clearly that an album does not have to actually be released - or, in the case of Great White Wonder, ever be intended for release - to be considered notable. I think the best parallel I can draw is to Black Gold - unreleased recordings of historic significance. About the only potential hangup here is the potential lack of what most Wikipedians consider "reliable" sources - WP:RS sorta meets its match when dealing with certain areas, 70s punk being one of those areas where fanzines and self-published material are virtually the only contemporary sources in existence, and I'm personally more inclined to trust a contemporary fanzine over a Rolling Stone suckoff piece written five years later to appeal to the 18-25 year old demographic. We don't have much information about the contents of the Voynich Manuscript, either, but it's still notable. Badger Drink (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.