Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 3D Gamemaker (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to The Game Creators. (non-admin closure) Lourdes  16:13, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

The 3D Gamemaker
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Ill-referenced since creation, little evidence of notability in the article or web searches. Previous AFD was 2006, survived then on the basis it plausibly provided information on a possibly useful topic; we have tighter standards in 2016. I'm willing to be convinced, but the article as it stands doesn't do so at all. David Gerard (talk) 10:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've fleshed out the GameSpot and ITReviews citations, and added citations from the GameSpy review that the first AfD mentioned. Is the article in a better state now? It's unfortunately harder to find sources at this point, given that the program is nearly 15 years old, and so any have probably disappeared off the Internet. However, these three are at least on archive.org. &mdash;ajf (talk) 11:15, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Good work! I'm immediately less sure than I was ... let's see what can be found - David Gerard (talk) 11:36, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:45, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:45, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Should be merged into article The Game Creators, see Draft:The Game Creators. Jonpatterns (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to distract too much from the topic at hand, but I'm not sure I agree. It's difficult to find any reliable sources about TGC that lend the company any real notability. Their products are much more notable than they are. That draft article includes only one reliable secondary source, and it's a trade magazine. I don't expect an effort to recreate that page to yield much success. &mdash;ajf (talk) 03:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'd like to state I am currently against deletion. This is somewhat weakly, as I'm not super-convinced T3DGM is super-notable. On the other hand, there seems to be some reliable source coverage of it (as opposed to none for The Game Creators), and I think the article is in a decent state. Of course, I'm biased, since I've put quite a bit of work into the article (and I actually own the product, thus my interest in the article in the first place), but I also think that work has made the article better than it was. &mdash;ajf (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Re-listing (perhaps one final time) due to 's comments Lourdes  03:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to The Game Creators. The company looks like it's probably notable when you put together the various products, but I'm just not seeing stand-alone notability here. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:02, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea - that article seriously needs some shoring up, and their other products are redirects there - David Gerard (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't endorse this: the TGC article is completely lacking in any reliable, non-primary sources, and there's nothing anywhere proving its notability. That article was deleted once already, and if we brought it back and merged T3DGM into it, T3DGM would be the only notable part of the article. Generally, their products are much more notable than they are. You can only find passing mentions of TGC's existence. &mdash;ajf (talk) 07:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes  03:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge. Take the reliable source and build out from the parent in summary style. The parent's notability will be stronger with more sources about its products. czar  05:09, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Merge to The Game Creators to help improve the parent article. Not independently notable per available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


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