Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Aeroplane Flies Lower


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The result was Delete.  Citi Cat   ♫ 02:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The Aeroplane Flies Lower

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The article's subject is about an un-official bootleg that was, apparently, only sold in Germany. While some bootlegs may be notable to a band's recording or live performance history, this one has no redeeming features and shouldn't be recorded on Wikipedia. MrHate 08:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete this bootleg, unlike some of the others, is not notable.  T Rex  | talk  11:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep While this release may be a bootleg, it is still a valuable Wikipedia article. Firstly, people often have questions about what this release is, whether it is official, etc. (it can be found in some record stores, ebay auctions, etc., and folks want to know what is up with it).  A Google search of "aeroplane flies lower" yields several message board results in the top 10 of people speculating about whether this is an official release or not, what tracks are on it, etc.  The Aeroplane Flies Lower includes a collection of legitimate (i.e. non-bootlegged) CD singles and an interview disc whose origins I know not (something to find out and add to the Wikipedia article).  This can be confusing to fans, indpendent music store owners, collectors, etc.  A page about the bootleg to explain exactly what it is may be very valuable to these people.  Secondly, and this is regarding the argument that bootlegs may not deserve pages at all, some music bootleg releases have had an impact on the musical canon of an artist.  For example, Bob Dylan's "Basement Tapes" (later officially released), Dave Matthews Band's "The Lillywhite Sessions" (later re-recorded and released in part as "Busted Stuff"), and Alice in Chains' "Heroin" (which was answered to about 6 years later with "Music Bank," which included most of the unreleased demos featured on "Heroin," and "Nothing Safe: Best of the Box" which included at least one recording featured on "Heroin" as well as strikingly similar artwork on the disc).  The Smashing Pumpkins have a number of bootlegs circulating (sometimes, at Billy Corgan's suggestion) amongst the fans (examples include "the Friends + Enemies of Modern Music" (60 min cassette), "Billy's Gravity Demos," and (although some may simply refer to this as a non-commercial release and not a bootleg) "Machina II/Friends and Enemies of Modern Music").  My point here is that fans of the Smashing Pumpkins are tuned in to Smashing Pumpkins bootlegs.  While the majority of bootlegs are probably not worthy of a Wikipedia article, I contend, at least for the reasons I stated above, that this bootleg is worthy and that the article should be kept.  Idcandy 06:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree completely that bootlegs can be notable in the history of a band, this one, I believe isn't. It's a collection of singles that already have their own articles.  There is considerable interest in it, but I believe that's because it has taken a similar name to the band's actual singles box set, The Aeroplane Flies High.  The KZA 11:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


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