Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The American (Justin Allen novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Can be re-created when published.  MBisanz  talk 04:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The American (Justin Allen novel)

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Seems to fail our notability guidelines on historical fiction novels that are still being written. Tikiwont (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)}}
 * Delete. I did some googling and the author appears to be non-notable as do his other books as well. A series of articles (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) all by the same editor in the past few days is suspicious in itself, but there is an obvious COI since this same editor states that Justin Allen is a client of his on his blog (link found on his user page). I conclude that this is promotional spam. The other articles should also be deleted unless solid sources are found during the course of this AFD. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 07:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - there are no reviews about this book, or any coverage that would establish notability. It's not even clear if it has been published yet. -- Whpq (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, the author is a client of mine. He asked me to set up the wikipedia pages for him so as to provide another resource for the gathering of knowledge about himself and his works. I understand if the article on The American doesn't meet the guidelines for notability & so forth, but I contest that the page for the author himself and his published work, Slaves of the Shinar presents the author and his work in a balanced, straightforward fashion, providing synopsis of the novel & linking to reviews published by others. Comments & criticism of my writing are welcome, but the articles were all done at the same time merely because that was when I had time to do them all. --Berkleebassist (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - Neither the article about the author, nor his other book are at issue here. It is strictly about The American.  It's unclear from your statement if you are acknowledging that this article does not meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines. -- Whpq (talk) 16:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - According to worldcat.org, this book was published in 2008 . And I was able to find two reliable source reviews for it.  Don't understand why the article says its currently in-progress??  Also with regard to his other book Slaves of the Shinar, I found reviews from Publishers Weekly, Library Journal, Booklist and Kirkus Reviews.  Will provide full citations if you would like.
 * Keymer, David. "The American." Library Journal 133.17 (15 Oct. 2008): 52-52. Abstract: The article reviews the book "The American," by Justin Allen.
 * "The American." Publishers Weekly 255.38 (22 Sep. 2008): 38-38. Abstract: The article reviews the book "The American," by Justin Allen.   --Captain-tucker (talk) 18:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, it seems to me that the book is not yet available in the online bookstores linked from world cat, so i don't know why there are libraries listing it already. (Maybe some list the ordered ones in their computer systems)? As for the references, they are one paragraph each and exactly the ones you can see on the Barnes and Nobel site which also tells you that the book isn't available. So i wouldn't consider that reliable in the sense of either good fact checking nor in-depth coverage, but rather run-of the-mill coverage for an upcoming novel that nowadays also includes a Wikipedia article or at least an attempt to have one, but I see no particular reason to play along in this case.--Tikiwont (talk) 20:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


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