Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The American Muslim (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The American Muslim
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Article on website that self-describes as a magazine. However, the only RS I can find is the 2012 The Oxford Handbook of Religion and the American News Media it describes New Muslim not as a magazine, but as an "outlet an outlet that has used new technologies and a changing media environment to reestablish itself," as described in article, it had once been a quarterly put out by Sheila Musaji, whose article is also up for AFD. Website lists Musaji as the sole editor, and specifies that in the former, hardcopy iteration all staff were volunteers. The problem with all of this is that I can find no sources beyond that single listing in an Oxford book (and even that is unsourced except that it quotes Musaji, in a book that sources other publications.) As far as I can tell, this is a non-notable, self-described "magazine" of admirable longevity. It does publish articles and opinions by multiple writers, but there is no indication that the material is edited. Click "editors" and only 1 name appears, Musaji. There was an AFD in 2007. 5 WP editors weighed in, all voting "keep". Problem is, only 1 of them bought a source, and it is a dead link. This is the problem: I have searched and can find no sourcing that does not lead directly back to this 1-person website that calls itself a magazine.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment - according to this page on the website, it was a print (quarterly) magazine from 1989 to 1995. It seems it had many contributors and many editors. After 9/11, it was recreated as an online source. —Мандичка YO 😜 15:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. It says that they were all volunteers.  But so far, I am not turning up notability in any period; searching is hard because "The American Muslim"  is a common phrasing for many things other than this journal/website.  This page and Sheila Musaji were started by the same SPA in 2006.  Here:is the page as the SPA created it.  Not much to go on.[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory] (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that I am not denying that it existed, or that after a gap of several years the same editor continued online. It's just that anyone can start a magazine, but to have a page on WP requires sourcing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete I, too, have had a hard time finding reliable sources. The print edition has had a six year run ending in 1995 yet I find no references to articles from that journal. The online revival is run by one woman who while articulate and educated seems write the bulk of the articles and republishes many others. All the references seem to point to the existence of the online magazine but rarely to the content. I added the Oxford reference; but the Oxford book has many religious journals, notable and obscure. Jason from nyc (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article doesn't know if it is about a magazine hat is not notable, a web site that is not notable, or a thrid party unconnected publication that is also not notable. Plus the fat that its editor's article, Sheila Musaji, has also been deleted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


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