Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Apprentice (UK series thirteen)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The Apprentice (UK series thirteen)

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Too much detail for general-interest, especially notes. Matt14451 (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages:

I have tried to improve the originally-nominated article, along with, but has been disruptive and led to the page being protected. Matt14451 (talk) 07:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: The article should be kept, along with those being nominated, since these can be easily just sorted out through editing and changing them. If so, it should be edited to consisting of an Episodes table, as with any article pertaining to Television series/seasons. GUtt01 (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Further to what I suggested, any notes should be maintained, regarding any broadcast issues. Any general matters that occurred, or significant events that were aired can be relayed into a section focused on Series Overview. Other information like Ratings and Criticism & Controversies, are relatively fine for these articles; the general issue may be the bulk of information covering the episodes. GUtt01 (talk) 16:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll give an example to be clear - "Due to the live broadcast of the 2017 BBC Sports Personality of the Year overrunning its timeslot, the Final was broadcast later than had been originally scheduled." - a delayed broadcast is not necessary and too in-depth for Wikipedia. Matt14451 (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Manual of Style/Television states that plot summaries shouldn't "offer a scene-by-scene sequence of everything that happens. Matt14451 (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * While that is true, deleting the articles is not neccessary. As I stated, the articles can be edited and changed, rather than deleted, towards something that I suggested - reformatting to a list of Episodes.GUtt01 (talk) 16:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to improve the pages while this process is ongoing, it'll take at least a week. Improvements can be considered as part of this discussion. Matt14451 (talk) 16:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I like to point out that before this discussion should have begun, it might have been wise to have done what is mentioned in WP:BEFORE, under Section C, Points 1. & 3. (as well as 2. for the article covering the fourteenth series). I just read that, and I think you should have before making these nominations (believe me, I raised a discussion on this before). GUtt01 (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The amount of work which is required is significant. I'm happy to help improve the articles. Matt14451 (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * One thing - Did you know this is the same situation for articles covering the seasons for the Amercian original? GUtt01 (talk) 16:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of the American version so haven't previously looked at their pages. Just had a quick look at an example and it doesn't look good. Matt14451 (talk) 17:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: This is a useful resource and as the boardroom is split into four definitive sections (results, team deliberation, bottom three and elimination) the notes section provides a short overview of each part without it becoming convoluted. 82.23.197.204 (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Inarguably a notable UK series with multiple notable seasons, and loading all this into the main show article would make it so bottom-heavy that no sane reader could ever navigate it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 18:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that the series notable no one's disputing that. Vast majority of the content is unnecessary and won't need to be merged. Matt14451 (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep - "Too much detail for general-interest" is not a valid reason for deletion, We delete based on notability (or lack of), Not on whether an article is over-detailed, All of the articles are absolutely fine interms of content and notability. – Davey 2010 Talk 18:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Manual of Style/Television states that plot summaries shouldn't "offer a scene-by-scene sequence of everything that happens" like what is currently in the article. Matt14451 (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to agree on both factors - we should keep the articles, but we really need to change them to reflect what the guidelines of WP:MOS state for television shows. These articles have had too much content added in, that its practically filled mainly with original research (which even I contributed to). I think Matt14451 made a good start with changing these - switching the information to Episode Tables, and given a brief summary of episodes should be what happens to all that is within the Episodes section of each article, only retaining the Original Air Date from what is already there. I made a start with Series 1, and the others need to be amended in due time.
 * I wasn'[t of aware of the scene-by-scene thing so thanks for linking that, WP:SOFIXIT applies tho. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * "but Davey2010 (talk · contribs) has been disruptive and led to the page being protected. Matt14451 (talk) 07:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)" - I was simply following BRD and it's worth noting to nip the bullshit in the bud I on my own accord went to the talkpage before the article was even protected so we can quit the "Davey2010 was disruptive" bullshit - I wasn't the one changing the article without any sort of discussion or consensus ....... – Davey 2010 Talk 11:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You were disruptive. Language like that doesn't support your case. We have discussed here. Do you also oppose the changes the series one? Matt14451 (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Wrong, Like I said you were adding content that I stated I objected too more than once yet you both carried on so it's not me that was beinfg disruptive, No because like I said on the articles talkpage you've added the episode summaries there, Had you bothered to add these here there wouldn't be a problem, Anyway edit warring issue belongs on the talkpage not an AFD!. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not just me that reverted you. You could have added episode summaries. I agree that this specific discussion belongs on the talk page so don't continue here. Matt14451 (talk) 16:05, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: for the reasons already stated. I would like to add, as a general Wikipedia user as well as an editor, I have found the summaries in these articles very useful. If they are too detailed or have other issues they can be edited. Fourteen series would be too long to summarise in one article, even with less information. Sr88,  talk . 22:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Per editors above, notable content, unfounded reason for deleting. --  Alex TW 01:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I support above arguments. Drawoh46 (talk) 02:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Acceptable WP:SPINOFFs for obviously notable series with many seasons. Bennv3771 (talk) 04:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep The series is notable. Wikipedia is not a collection of stub articles. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's definitely snowing. This is going nowhere really quickly. --  Alex TW 10:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep I see no issue with separate pages for separate series. Pretty common on Wikipedia for this to be the case. A modified Episode Table, as being trialled on the series 14 page, may be an excellent way of curtailing the potentially excessive notes section. But no need to delete the 14 pages. eeveeman (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep:  Pages should be kept. However I think the weekly tasks column is helpful. The ‘Task Summary’ section adds a lot of excessive detail about the task. However it’s useful to know Who was on which team, who the Project Manager was etc.

The You’re Fired panel section and the Notes section should be removed however I agree with Matt that there is a lot of unnecessary detail, however a basic summary of the task as shown in the episodes column doesn’t tell you who won, who was on which team.

I think a good idea would be to keep the layout like this..


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 * ==Episodes==
 * ===Week 1: Chocolate===


 * Original Air Date: # October ####
 * Tenacity: Lauren (Project Manager), Alexandra, Becky, Louise, Samantha, Sinead, Tracy and Ursula
 * Vitality: Clive (Project Manager), Dan, Freddie, Harry, Joshua, Kieran, Liam and Nathan.
 * Task: Make a brand of chocolate, before selling it to customers. Most profit made, wins
 * Result: Tenacity made a profit of £200.00, while Vitality made a profit of £500.00.
 * Winner: Vitality - By £300.00.
 * Brought into the boardroom: Lauren, Louise and Tracy
 * Fired: Lauren - For her indecisive leadership, and for overspending on the ingredients which ultimately led to the team’s failure

Strictly2018 (talk) 12:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: I disagree. This will still make the articles designed to favour fans of the show. I believe you will need to provide a strong enough reason that this will be neutral in design and be encyclopedic, otherwise we stick to listing episodes in the standard for any season of a programme - thru an Episode Table. GUtt01 (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: It probably doesn't really matter at this point, since someone appears to have transwikied the older versions of these pages onto The Apprentice Wikia, but the I'd advocate still including the main reason why each individual candidate was fired, since that does appear to be fairly standard for reality TV show season pages, and I think that's something most readers would consider relevant, not just fans.--DaveJB (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I've collapsed your !vote - This AFD is for notabililty purposes not layout purposes - Please take your concerns that are unrelated to notability to the talkpage. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)