Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Arcadian Singers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The Arcadian Singers

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (music) requirement. I cannot find anything better - sources are limited to self-published, and few mention in passing in regional/university media. I cannot even think of a good target for merger. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:21, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – The Arcadian Singers has been broadcast on BBC Radio 3, a national classical music radio station in the United Kingdom, so I believe meets Criterion 12 of WP:MUSBIO. I will try to find a reference for this and other independent reviews. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Being broadcast on BBC 3 should not be sufficient for an article on Wikipedia. In pointing to Criterion 12, Mr Bowen misses the words "featured subject" and "substantial segment": something like a programme dedicated to the ensemble. What we need in lieu of that is charting albums, reviews in reputable music publications, etcetera. Nothing in the article shows that the group is anything other than an amateur local ensemble. The request for deletion should be accepted. Syek88 (talk) 11:11, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – I added mention of reviews in national/international magazines for notability. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * To be more accurate, you added links to a web forum, a song lyrics website, and iTunes. Syek88 (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment, these reviews may be relevant - salvator mundi review, another review in American Record Guide, Jubilate Agno review in BBC Music Magazine, Cantatas no. 4 review, Cantatas no. 2 review. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, oh, and amazon show 3 more reviews for salvator mundi, although amazon is not counted as reliable, if any musieditor can confirm them as genuine than the cd appears notable enough for its own article. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Crossrhythms - your first link - has a page on how to become a volunteer reviewer for them: just send them your details and you're in! http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/becomeareviewer/ The website also charmingly has a prayer room: 'Get close to God, be extravagant in declaring your love for Him in our Prayer Room'. This low-quality venue for internet commentary is likely to produce little better than an Amazon customer review. After seeing that as your first link I didn't even bother to look at the other links you mentioned. Find a review in Gramophone Magazine or a major broadsheet (Times, Guardian, Telegraph) and then we will have an indication of the group's significance. Syek88 (talk) 10:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * note i said "may be relevant", also that i "commented" not "keeped", with your comment - "After seeing that as your first link I didn't even bother to look at the other links you mentioned.", i hope the closing admin gives your "delete" and responses to other editors' inputs to this afd appropriate weight. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:08, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment – some quotes from reviews in national/international music magazines according to :
 * "BBC Music Magazine: ‘The Arcadian Singers display dedication, accuracy and insight into the composers' idioms.’ (Performance **** Sound ****)"


 * "Cathedral Music: ‘The Arcadian Singers tackle the music very well, nicely balanced throughout, tempi neither too fast nor too slow where it matters.’"


 * "Choir and Organ: ‘There is a wealth of talent in our universities as shown on this CD marking the 25th anniversary of The Arcadian Singers of Oxford.’"


 * Sadly these don't seem to be freely online on the relevant websites. They are still relevant for WP:GNG. Does anyone have more complete references? —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 11:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * For the BBC one which is available at, the review, with regards to the Arcadian Singers, is limited to the single sentence you quote. If they are all that long, I have to wonder if this constitutes significant. WP:BAND does that they are the subject of the review in question. If we get 3-4 sentences, all in passing, I am afraid it may not enough. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 19:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The review is actually of one of the Arcadian Singers' CDs. Note that the choir also organizes music composition competitions. E.g., see a national Women Composers Competition with the British composer Cecilia McDowall on the panel . —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 09:52, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:13, 7 January 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


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