Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bear Creek School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The Bear Creek School

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expired prod on otherwise non-notable school, but schools come to afd not delete by prod, so here it is. Carlossuarez46 18:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems almost like a school website to me - "The Bear Creek School is committed to classical education and to integrating the Christian faith in all subjects, extracurriculars, and across all grade levels." Shruti14 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * comment Of course schools or anything else can be deleted by prod if nobody objects. The reviewing admin is however supposed to confirm that the reason for deletion is appropriate. If he has doubts, then certainly he should bring them to AfD, but there's no need to otherwise. Absolutely no need to bring them here.We have enough problems with the contested school deletions here without having to do the uncontested ones. It is speedy where schools can't be deleted. DGG (talk) 19:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of independent sources. Plus, I second DGG's comments; this shouldn't have been brought here in the first place. --Huon 22:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is written in a very biased/inappropriate style, but more importantly, there is no established notability. Calgary 23:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.   —TerriersFan 00:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the following:
 * First, I agree with the nominator that generally schools (particularly schools which cover grades 9-12) should generally be brought to AfD rather than PRODded. The introductory paragraph at WP:PROD clearly states "This process should only be used for articles that are uncontroversial deletion candidates that obviously do not belong in the encyclopedia ..."  Can anyone really say that a high school is ever an "uncontroversial deletion candidate"?  PROD is not meant to cover these types of articles; that is what AfD is for.
 * I do think that this school appears to be "notable". The introductory paragraph at WP:N clearly states  The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice". This concept is distinct from "fame", "importance", or "popularity".  This is a small, very conservative Christian school that appears to be in contrast to the larger public schools in the area such as Redmond High School or Lake Washington High School.  Although being "worthy of notice" is a very subjective test, I feel that a private high school is "worthy of notice" simply because it is an alternative to the public schools, particularly since I believe that most or all public high schools will likely have articles at some point.
 * Even by the more objective test that many editors apply, I think this school is "worthy of notice" because its athletes have earned notability for the school. One student won the Class 1A/B state girls golf tournament in 2005 and another student just last week took sixth place in the women's pair final at the FISA World Rowing Junior Championships in Beijing.
 * WP:V requires that the information must be verifiable, not verified. While we all want to see articles have better sources, lack of sources is not a valid reason for deleting an article.  If some of the material in the article is questionable and lacks sources, then that material should be deleted, not the article.
 * Admittedly the article needs to be improved, but it is much better than a stub and much better than many articles on many topics. The quality of the article, however, is not grounds for deleting the article. WP:SOFIXIT. -- DS1953 talk  03:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - It is one thing to keep big 4A/5A schools, whose sporting and other events are regularly covered by media, but I do not find that's the case for a small private school Corpx 07:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable high school. Postlebury 10:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Of course if it's controversial it would come here--I didn't mean otherwise, but not all school deletions actually are. This one quite reasonably is. It's an unusually rigorous and classical curriculum for a Christian high school, or perhaps any US high school, and is explained in the article. Needs sources for that, though. I would be perfectly agreeable to a proposition that there be a guideline that all secondary schools be considered as notable on the grounds that enough information could be found and sourced if the work were done, and its the subject that should be notable, if it were also agreed that this did not extend to primary and intermediate schools. That isnt yet the current policy, though, but these debates are not worth the work they involve. DGG (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep article makes assertions of notability, but would benefit greatly from the addition of context and sources (and some pruning of content). Alansohn 03:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree that it was wise to bring this to AFD because this is controversial; but I think PROD can be used for some school articles in some cases. It is seems to an unresolved issue with school articles on if they should be deleted on what they are, or what they in theory could be. There are loads and loads of school articles in a poor state on Wikipedia, with only so many editors to fix them. That is why I believe in "for-now" mergers into wider scope articles articles in some cases - it usually results in no loss of content, with no AFD been necessary in the first place. In other cases if a school article can not be easily merged and is notable for its own article I say keep it as a stub - unless it is an attack page, copyright infringement or does little more than state the schools existence. In this particular case a merge is possible with Redmond, Washington - though I do not think that would be appropriate in this case. This article is well established and it just needs to be cut down with trivial information removed. A search seems to suggest this school is verifiable, (though be-aware that there is more than one Bear Creek School) so I think a keep is appropriate. Camaron1 | Chris 11:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete no notability (per, more or less, the points raised by DS1953 which all tend to the trivial in my view). Schools do not default to notability, and nothing here asserts why this school merits encyclopedic treatment. Eusebeus 18:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - there is no notability to this private school. The Puget Sound region has many, many private schools; a few of them are exceptional. The academic program or the athletic program (something I do not find or desire to be notable in education below the collegiate level). It is a private school and it is a Christian school, but those are hardly notable characteristics for a school. --Storm Rider (talk) 05:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - includes a high school, which is significant, and has a notable and unusal academic programme. Also notable athletics performances. Needs cleaning up and sourcing but those are matters for tagging and post-AfD action. TerriersFan 15:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.