Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Beatles outtakes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No Consensus - opinion is evenly split, but neither side has made a slamdunk argument for preservation or deletion. There is a recommendation about merging this into another Beatles-related article, which is an alternative that was not raised here. But those who want to keep this as a standalone article may want to strengthen the text and its references. Pastor Theo (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The Beatles outtakes

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Delete. Violation of WP:LISTCRUFT, WP:FANCRUFT, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:OR with a lack of WP:RS. Really not much else to add - a total waste of space. DJ 19:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * keep reliably sourced and there are no space concerns on Wikimedia servers as far as I know riffic (talk) 06:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your userpage says "Deletionism is a cancer". I think that says it all...DJ 15:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your user page has a link to the policies and guidelines, one of them says assume good faithriffic (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Appears to be nothing more than list in unreleased stuff from Beatles, which is covered elsewhere.  TJ   Spyke   02:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where else is it covered? I don't see the redundancy. This is a useful list for collectors and other people who are interested in the unreleased recordings which may one day be released. Also this nom is invalid because there is no valid deletion rationale given which meets deletion policy. riffic (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the nominator has a history of offsite canvassing Afd discussions, so I would consider this one tainted as well. riffic (talk) 02:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First, the nominator listed a bunch of valid reasons for it to be deleted. "It's useful" is NOT a valid reason to keep an article and even if they get released (which is pure speculation on your part), that doesn't change anything.  TJ   Spyke   17:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This list is historically significant and should be kept. similar rational as the one I used here: Articles for deletion/List of The Beatles concerts riffic (talk) 19:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. This is going to the extremes of detail, but The Beatles are a uniquely important band, and since this information appears to have been sourced from reliable publications, I am inclined to keep it.--Michig (talk) 08:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not seeing any of the "violations" noted in the nominations. The Beatles outtakes have been the subject of several books, meeting WP:N.  So there is no reason to delete. Rlendog (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as an indiscriminate collection of information. I can understand an article about unreleased Beatles songs, but a list article about all the song takes that weren't used? That's not a notable topic. Unless a band is doing really paired down one-take recording, most artists don't release all their takes. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * it actually is a notable topic, many books have been written about these sessions and alternate takes, some of which have been released on bootlegs or the Anthology series. riffic (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * for example, see http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Recording-Sessions-Mark-Lewisohn/dp/0517570661/ref=pd_cp_b_1 http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=pd_sim_b_1 http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Beatles-Chronicle-Definitive-entire/dp/0600610012/ref=pd_sim_b_4 http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Anthology/dp/0811826848
 * The recording sessions are important and notable in the context of the songs and albums. Making a list of outtakes separate from the songs removes this essential context. Additionally, if it were a notable topic, a list format would not be ideal. WesleyDodds (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom Wether B (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have anything to add to this? riffic (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Beatles recordings -- including outtakes -- are uniquely vital elements of music history and are inherently notable. It's the Beatles for heaven's sake. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.