Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bible and violence


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Clear consensus to keep the article. (non-admin closure) st170e talk 15:59, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The Bible and violence

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This is pretty obviously an essay, and I'm not seeing how one could write an article on the subject that wasn't. One can talk about religion and violence, but I do not see how you can talk about the biblical text without committing exegesis. Mangoe (talk) 02:28, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bible-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - The method of avoiding exegesis is to rely on repeating only what reliable sources say. I'm not saying this article doesn't have WP:OR problems... (I'm not saying it does, either, I haven't thoroughly reviewed it).  What I am saying, is that this is a topic that is VERY well covered in academic research.  Google scholar comes up with 61 results for "The Bible and violence", in quotes, and 111 results for "violence and the bible" in quotes.  I'm sure that even more results would appear with other minor rephrasings.  This is an issue that is discussed in secular universities, in seminaries, in yeshivas, and so on and so on.  This is also a topic discussed amongst "laypeople", and of general interest to many, many people.  If WP:OR is a problem, send it to cleanup.  Not AfD. Fieari (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * keep here is one of shitloads of bibliographies you can find of scholarship on this topic, which has been written about by biblical scholars and theologians many, many times. This is a standard course in many seminaries.  User:Mangoe you should just withdraw this. Jytdog (talk) 03:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep RS already present in article show that it's a notable topic of discussion. Jclemens (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with the others in that this is a notable topic, but I do want to say that I think that Mangoe wrote this in all good faith, since it's easy for religious themed articles to turn into essays. I'd like to echo Fieari's comment that if OR is present in the article then that's a cleaning issue, not an AfD issue - I'd recommend that you enlist the help of WP:CHRISTIANITY if this needs to be re-written. (Also haven't really reviewed the article fully, but I've seen enough academic discourse to know that this is a reoccurring and prevalent topic in religious studies. Heck, one of my senior capstone classes in college actually spent a couple of weeks on domestic and sexual violence in the Bible and how it's been used over time to justify continued abuse.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:10, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


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