Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Black Gloves


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Lawrie Brewster. Redirects are cheap. If Brewster wasn't himself somewhat notable I'd go for delete but I think redirecting serves a reasonable compromise, allowing us to retain the history and also point searchers to something related, for now. Page can be resurrected as an article if there are sufficient RS in the future. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The Black Gloves

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https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/04/the-owlman-returns-in-trailer-for-horror-noir-the-black-gloves/ PeterMan844 (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Does not meet WP:NFILM. The second link under External links indicates that it is being funded through a kickstarter campaign that hasn't even ended yet. Esprit15d • talk • contribs 20:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: On IMDb, it is listed as being in post-production. Also, a trailer was put up here.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   21:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   21:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: I would vote to have this redirect to Brewster's article for the time being. I've followed his work ever since Lord of Tears and the work he's released typically gains enough coverage to justify inclusion. I'm going to try to save the page first, but if I can't save it in the here and now I'd like to have this redirected with history because it will be extremely likely to have the needed coverage once it releases later this year to film festivals. It's how I've created his last film, The Unkindness of Ravens, after all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * This could probably muster a weak keep given the additional sourcing, but if it doesn't then I'd highly, highly encourage that this be redirected with history until more coverage becomes available, which I think will be more of a "when" rather than an "if". Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete No release dates or distribution information at IMDbPro. Lacking in sources. Thuresson (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ,, would either of you be opposed to a redirect with history if this closes as a delete? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean, I wouldn't oppose it, but this seems like a textbook delete. I don't see how it meets WP:NFILM at all.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 11:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The reason I'm pushing for a redirect with history is that I'm familiar with how the guy does his fundraising and promotion after working on the articles for his other two horror films. He typically does the filming first (I think he uses grant money, investor funding, or profits from prior projects to fund this) and saves the Kickstarter stuff for the post-production work for the most part. It's not unheard of for people to break a routine, but he seems to follow this pattern fairly regularly with his projects, from what I've seen. My thought is that even if this Kickstarter fails, he'll likely scale back the post work and open a new one with a lower target amount until it passes. He still has 20 days and it's about 65-70-ish percent funded, so it's still possible it could get funded. Keeping the history in this case would be a good insurance policy for when the film does come out. It would also help prevent future recreation, as it can redirect to Brewster's article and we can put 1-2 sentences about the current film in the main article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment: I'm not trying to act snippy or that, but I don't really understand why you'd want it deleted. It is a film that exists. People are keen to see it. Articles don't really clog up server space, so it's good information to keep up. I also created the Redcon-1 page and that's not even out yet. When people do Google searches or even searches on other engines, Wikipedia is usually the first site people like I look at other than IMDb. So I don't see why it truly matters.PeterMan844 (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I sympathize with your frustration, since this is topic that matters to you. But I don't think anyone here has any personal feelings about this article; this is just a routine maintenance procedure according to Wikipedia deletion policy.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment The movie is unfinished. There is a Kickstarter campaign to finance production. It is not obvious that the Kickstarter campaign will be successful. I agree with Esprit15d. Thuresson (talk) 15:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment In that case, they shouldn't put up on IMDb that a film is in post-production. That's the same thing as lying, in a sense. The folk working on Redcon-1 did that too. They were supposed to have finished filming last October. We were drip fed little bits of information about it on Facebook, but we didn't get a release date. According to a news page from May last year, Epic Pictures are distributing it. The crew chose to shoot more scenes recently which will likely delay its release even more. I cannot see it being out any time soon either, as it's been in production for 5 years.PeterMan844 (talk) 16:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * According to this, the shooting is completed and it's in post-production. I know that sometimes post work can include some reshoots here and there, though. In case, from what I've seen with this director with his last two Kickstarters, he did the filming first and opened the Kickstarter after all of the main filming was done in order to finance all of the post-production work. This looks to be a similar case here. It's why I'm pushing so hard for this to be redirected, as I'm familiar with how the guy has operated so far with Kickstarter stuff. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment: I'm very skeptical about donating such a high amount of cash to people, but I do have the biggest horror sequels collection in Edinburgh, which is why I'm sort of happy for the guy's work. And I'm also interested in extras work myself. However, I've had issues recently with people in this indie film crowd "black balling" me so I don't get work. This actress was the main culprit. But they do it in messages I cannot see. It's been a real nuisance. Anyway, that's not really the topic of debate here. Maybe the article should easily not heavily promote a release date, or maybe a redirect is okay. PeterMan844 (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Comments: *Really, I meant.PeterMan844 (talk) 21:10, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


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