Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Black Pits of Luna


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

The Black Pits of Luna

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Nothing on the page to suggest wider notability for many years. Elsewhere I see a few reviews in blogs but nothing which would appear to meet the notability criteria for en.wiki JMWt (talk) 09:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. JMWt (talk) 09:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein, The Heritage of Heinlein, p. 54-55 and A search for depth in Robert A. Heinlein's short fiction, and, philosophical views on tragedy, 1945–1955 all discuss the short story to different degrees, I could find them in a short time. Daranios (talk) 09:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't work those, so maybe you can tell me if they are more than a mention. JMWt (talk) 10:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that they are more than just mentions. Volumewise they are about a page, half a page and just short of two pages respectively. Contentwise they contain both plot summary and commentary. Only to a limited degree on the short story as a whole, more on the characters. Daranios (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok that sounds enough to me - unless anyone else objects. JMWt (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems sufficient to me, thought I can't see the second one. The third one is a doctoral dissertation and has quite a bit of depth. &mdash;siro&chi;o 02:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as the listed sources, found in a very much non-comprehensive search, provide enough material to establish notability. Daranios (talk) 10:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sadly, all sources are paywalled or such, and I am too tired to look into them much. There are certainly mentions in several places, whether they meet SIGCOV is another issue. I do wonder if the nom (JMWt) did BEFORE on Google Scholar/Books, and regardless, I'd like to hear their analysis of the sources Daranios found. PS. The snippets I see in The Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein look promising. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, I can't access those but in good faith I'm accepting Daranios' assessment of the sources that they can access. JMWt (talk) 13:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI, TWL should give you proquest sources, and books can be accessed through Internet Archive library or Z-library usually. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:38, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've done a bit of quick expansion here. As others have mentioned, a good deal of the sourcing out there is paywalled in one way or another. I was able to pull some up and what I've found suggests that there is a lot more out there, as it references other people talking about the story and elements about it. A snippet came up here and this came up as containing the title as well, but I wasn't able to really access either. It's also given a lengthy look in this PhD dissertation. There's also a mention here but I can't see how extensive it is. Something of note though is that this is apparently one of the four short stories that helped him gain more of a mainstream foothold due, so it has that going for it as well. In any case, it certainly needs more improvement but I think there's enough to justify inclusion. It's not his most well-known story but it has received coverage and discussion in RS. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nothing holding this back at this point, meets GNG, article is in fine shape. &mdash;siro&chi;o 23:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep now. Thanks for the rescue, User:ReaderofthePack. This is now likely eligible for a WP:DYK - go for it, I'll be happy to review it if pinged. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Nah, you can go for it - I'm so sporadic at times I don't know that I'd be able to properly keep up with it. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  13:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


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