Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bluff (Atlanta)


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The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 19:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

The Bluff (Atlanta)

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This is not a discernible place, neighborhood, or even area. The article is based purely on slang, urban dictionary references, and hearsay. While some credible news outlets refer to it, that is not enough to warrant an article.--Mmann1988 (talk) 18:47, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This reliable news article defines the area. Unpleasant as it is to read about it, it is notable. BigJim707 (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with BigJim707. The article is - in fact - not "purely on slang, urban dictionary references, and hearsay" - in fact, quite the opposite. There are references from from three different major media - in fact arguably the three most important in Metro Atlanta: the AJC, Atlanta Magazine and Creative Loafing. (Atlanta Magazine, "The King File", 4/15/2009, Creative Loafing, "Heroin Tightens its Grip', Andria Simmons, "Heroin a deadly draw in ‘Bluff’", Atlanta Journal-Constitution, September 7, 2011). The articles clearly define the geographic location. Additional articles in the AJC mentioning The Bluff:  So, it is clearly a neighborhood/area, just not an official one, but that is not a criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia. If it were, articles about many well-known districts in metro Atlanta would have to be removed, for example, Brookhaven. Keizers (talk) 19:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Per reliable sources— & . Northamerica1000 (talk) 01:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This does establish precedent. Are we going to create a seperate page for every widely-accepted nickname for a group of neighborhoods? --Mmann1988 (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no "establishing precedent" to have articles based on multiple reliable sources as this one. Like South Side, Chicago, North London, Lower Manhattan and many others, there are commonly accepted terms, or nicknames if you will, of sections of cities that might include multiple neighborhoods. --Oakshade (talk) 03:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - If the said nickname defines an area that gets coverage in reliable sources, then yes, an article should exist for it. Precedent is really irrelevant in this case because the WP:GNG is what is being used to establish that this article is to be kept, and not some sort of appeal to other neighbourhood articles being kept. -- Whpq (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - The sourcing indicates that this neighbourhood is a notable one. -- Whpq (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Heavily referenced, provides an adequate description of the area, the area has been considered signifigant enough to have been included in film, and I feel is notible enough for wikipedia. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 18:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope the author is aware that the residents of English Avenue and Vine City consider the term "The Bluff" to be derogatory and have worked hard to put it to rest. I also cannot understand why a nickname that is used in rap songs and street culture to denote an area as dangerous and run over with heroin dealers is a distinction worth fighting for. I suppose a page titled Cambodia (Atlanta) should be created, since it is also a commonly-used and heavily-documented (including in A Man in Full) nickname for Chamblee. I am somewhat wary of the author's true intentions here.--Mmann1988 (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will respond as "the author" even though there is never really one "author" here on Wikipedia. I have not come across material indicating that the residents of English Avenue and Vine City consider the term "The Bluff" to be derogatory and have worked hard to put it to rest. It may well be used in rap songs and street culture but it is also used by the leading media of our city - Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Atlanta Magazine, Creative Loafing. My "true intentions here" are to reflect reality as things are and as they are so documented in the media. Keizers (talk) 22:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - References indicate the area is widely known as "The Bluff", as well as the fact that there was a documentary about the area called The Bluff, and another Sundance Award winning fictional film referring to it as "The Bluff", song lyrics, etc. I'd also like to add that just because something is slang, it doesn't mean it doesn't warrant an article about it if it is notable enough. yonnie (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Do to vast coverage already found. The WP:GNG have been met.   D r e a m Focus  09:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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