Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Book Club of Detroit


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The result was no consensus. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

The Book Club of Detroit

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Tagged this over half a year ago, was hoping it would undergo improvement. Promotional article about a club which turns up almost nothing on searches. A couple of trivial mentions on News, and nothing in-depth on Books.  Onel 5969  TT me 20:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I can't seem to find anything truly substantial. There are brief mentions like this and I do see where some of their released books have been used as a RS in academic works, but I can't really find anything about the club itself. They certainly seem to be well thought of, but being well respected isn't something that gives notability on Wikipedia. This is probably the most in-depth thing I found, and that's a travel guide. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There's some mention of them in this book, but I don't think that this would be enough to justify a keep. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:19, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 *  leaning KEEP I just added a pair of newspaper articles that give some support to notability, and a search of JSTOR indicates that this Club's Journal, newsletter, and meetings are cited. One of the naked links in the article is to the Detroit Public Library and includes a brief description of the Club's history. I suspect that we just need to look a little harder for sources.  Searches produce more without the "the" used in the toolbar.   who is probably in a good position to assess this one.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Newpapers.com turns up a number of articles in the Detroit Free Press either mentioning the Book Club, or which may be entirely about the Book Club, however, I don't have premium access to read all of the articles. I did get 64 matches, though. If anyone can access that newspaper, that would help. In HighBeam, I found an obituary about the founder of the club and a couple of articles mentioning the club. The book club has collaborated with the public library recently. The club has also apparently published books about collecting rare books and on other book-related topics. I'd lean keep, but I really wish I could access those Detroit Free Press clippings. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't access all of those old Free Press articles either, but I did find and add material from other newspapers. It's the usual problem with articles about stuff that was a bigger deal in the pre-internet era than it is today.  So much of what was published back then is not available in searcheable form.  I do think that I found enough to squeek past notability, and am, therefore, now changing my iVote from leaning keep to KEEP.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note the risk here of our endemic Systemic bias towards Recentism leading to over-aggressive deletion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:41, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 07:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment On first pass I'm not seeing coverage to satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH. Although like others I can't see all the articles being mentioned. Gab4gab (talk) 17:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was hoping that editors searching more cleverly than I would be able to source this. I can find references to items such as: "The Book Club of Detroit,"  John Henry Nash: A Collector's Appraisal, Gazette of the Grolier Club,"   December 1973, pp. 14-33, Susman, Warren I.  I have no idea what it said, although the Gazette of the Grolier Club is in major research libraries.  Also see snippev views of tantalizing things in a gBooks search.  but only snippet views.  There used to be a Quarterly Journal of the Book Club of Detroit, which does get cited.  As do a fair number of books published by this Book Club.  Lots of hits in this:    search of The Fellowship ofAmerican Bibliophilic Societies, if someone wants to comb through that stack of PDFs....


 * Delete I am unable to find a single article which describes the book club. There a bunch of articles where the club is mentioned by name (mostly in association with a person - like X was a member/president of the Detroit Book Club). However, there is nothing more written about the club itself - why it was significant, where did it meet and what activities did it organise. To me this seems like a local book club - yes, it existed for 50 years, but it was still a local book club without any claim of significance. Organisations need to pass WP:ORGDEPTH and the sources are not of a quality which provides significant coverage. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


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