Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Boss (Metal Gear)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Obviously no consensus to delete, and no consensus to merge has been achieved at this time. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The Boss (Metal Gear)

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The current sources at reception were just listicles and rankings. I tried to find any sources about this character per WP:BEFORE, but I cannot find any sigcov. Relying mostly with this single journal here wouldn't help notability. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games.   Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 22:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Science fiction and fantasy. 🥒  Greenish Pickle! 🥒 (🔔) 23:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge per Conyo. This article isn't meeting notability as of right now. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge to Characters of the Metal Gear series as an WP:ATD. I found a GameRant article but not sure if this would really count. I'm also not sure if GameRant is reliable or not. Conyo14 (talk) 03:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It is situational as a source, but Valnet sources does not help notability according to WP:VG/RS. 🥒 Greenish Pickle! 🥒 (🔔) 03:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * So, half a source. But my !vote shall remain merge. Conyo14 (talk) 03:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:ATD. There is some sourcing but it's questionable whether it reaches WP:SIGCOV. This can be covered at the main game article. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep.     She has also been discussed with sigcov in these lists:     I have not looked into any book or scholar sources yet, nor have I checked Japanese sources. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the Kotaku and IGN looks good, thou other sources doesn't really help GNG, but can also he used to improve the article further. So, I feel like the article is barely notable for now but is still in weak state. 🥒 Greenish Pickle! 🥒 (🔔) 01:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * After checking further, I felt like I'm satisfied a bit with the sources that were brought here now. But, I'll let afd stay here let others state their opinions here. 🥒 Greenish Pickle! 🥒 (🔔) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep I've decided to create a source analysis of Cukie's sources, and it has changed my !vote:

Not that it matters to affecting your !vote, the Game Developer blog is one that was chosen as a featured blog by GD editorial staff, and the author is a published SME in gaming. As far as The Mary Sue goes, it is listed as a reliable source on WP:RSP. I also do not believe that the use of WP:ROUTINE is appropriate; none of the citations I listed are news sources, all of these sources were posted years after release, written (presumably) because the author wanted to write about it. The Destructoid source, for example, is written as part of a series of significant parts of video games for their staff, with the author saying things like "Shooting The Boss, while over in a blink of an eye, really is a pretty innovative and surprisingly memorable moment. While it could have easily been incorporated into the always impressive cutscenes, making one, small creative decision to have the player perform this final killing shot makes the scene infinitely more powerful" as well as discuss the relationship between the player, Snake, and The Boss, their musing over whether the player is required to kill her or just let her die, and speculation on what Kojima was intending to depict by making the player execute her. I would strongly dispute the notion that ROUTINE applies in any capacity here. WP:SUMMARY also applies to an extent, but not to the entirety. The source is being utilized not for the description of the plot of The Boss, but for the author's feelings on her and her death. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Any thoughts on the keep !votes? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 05:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you provide the thread for The Mary Sue? Conyo14 (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The discussions should be linked on the perennial sources page in The Mary Sue's entry - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Found it . I will update the source analysis. Conyo14 (talk) 20:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per sources listed above by Cukie Gherkin. X (talk) 05:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per WP:ATD. The article itself was made by a blocked editor with zero conception of notability. I've noted the sources raised by Cukie Gherkin and do not believe they indicate enough SIGCOV for the article to be notable. If these are the best sources, the character is most fitting to a list of characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on the sources found by Cukie Gherkin and as analyzed by Conyo14. Searching in Google Scholar was also promising, with results including Metal Gear Solid: Hideo Kojima's Magnum Opus. Those inclined to WP:OHW may find the coverage in Emotions, Technology, and Video Games and "On Narrative and Gaming Gestalts" useful as well. Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 08:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.