Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Brotherhood of the Holy Cross


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The Brotherhood of the Holy Cross

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I have my doubts about the sourcing, accuracy and notability of this; it was prodded, but I think it needs wider attention.  DGG ( talk ) 15:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 15:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. There appear to be a variety of Brotherhoods of the Holy Cross mentioned in sources.  One's an Anglican group that appears to be identical with the Order of the Holy Cross.  There's also a small-o orthodox Roman Catholic version, for which our article is Congregation of Holy Cross.  Nothing I see seems to specifically refer to this.  Given the nature of the topic, any existing sources may not be in English.  Then again, given the nature of the subject, this may be a baroque hoax.  The Russian article seems to be tagged for some kind of deletion or review process; I don't read the language. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:53, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Google Translate indicates that the tag on the Russian article questions the article's notability.  I tried to find sources in English on this organization and could not. --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as lacking in-depth coverage from independent third party sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 15:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete - as it stands, both in EN and RU, the article lacks any inline citations, and just has two Russian websites listed at the end (fails WP:N). The second one goes into complicated details of splitting of churches and defrocking of priests, acc to Google translate, so it seems there is some kind of far-right church in existence, complete with political infighting. The danger for WP given that we have very poor sourcing and limited ability to follow what's going on, is that we're taken for a ride by one of the sides (perhaps there are many fragmentary groups) in the whole complex situation. I propose we delete it, ready to welcome it back if it comes with more evidence next time. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. My own search for GNews sources on the string "братство Креста Господня" yielded only this source, which a Google translation reveals is not about the same organization. The other organization fails our notability guidelines too, and the article on the Russian Wikipedia is itself tagged for notability concerns. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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