Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Byzantine Patriarchal See and Orthodox Church of Hungary


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was WP:SNOW delete as obvious hoax/spam. Clearly nothing but a non-notable, very likely fraudulent fringe group. Closing early to avoid further WP:BLP issues regarding (alleged) named persons. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The Byzantine Patriarchal See and Orthodox Church of Hungary

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I am 100% certain that this page refers to a group that is either a hoax or a way to swindle people of their money. From the very name of this supposedly Orthodox communion, to the improbable claims it makes, this article stinks to heaven. Where should I begin? An Orthodox Church founded in arch-Catholic Hungary? Patriarchs no-one has ever heard of, since the 19th century no less? No mention of communion with other Orthodox churches, but nevertheless a dozen "exarchs" in other Orthodox countries? The term "Byzantine Patriarch", that only an ignoramus would even consider using as an official title? Ruritanian terms like "Byzantine Titular Patriarch of Lisbon" or "Military Exarch of the Military Episcopate", or the inclusion of military orders, something totally alien to any Orthodox church? The complete absence of any secondary or tertiary sources, or indeed the absence of any information on the web, barring the one page already listed with all its dubious claims? This "church" sounds and reads like something badly made up by someone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Orthodox Church, but with ample access to Wikipedia articles on ecclesiastical offices. Constantine  ✍  17:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  17:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  17:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete as astonishingly non-notable, I can't remember the last time Google gave so few hits.TheLongTone (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as a hoax, per user Constantine's analysis. Purports to be somehow connected to "Eastern Christianity", yet those branches were formed in antiquity and are not so numerous. Nothing in the article, most especially references to military orders, is unlike anything resembling any such branch. Historical and geographic derivations also impossible, untenable, ridiculous. No religious connections whatever are mentioned other than titles, the most prominent of which is western. Absurd. Evensteven (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I generally have a low bar for churches where notability is concerned, but the only Google hits were the home page of this alleged church, this article and two other mentions on other Wikipedia articles that refer back to this one. This is likely one of the innumerable vegante churches that rarely comprise more than one or two parishes. Sometimes they are just a website with someone claiming apostolic succession. In any event it hugely fails WP:NRV. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please Do Not Delete. Dr. Matyas Exarch Puskas Clark has forwarded the following email message: Please cite Our Government files as IRS Church Registration, Byzantine Greek Church Filing AD 1960 Patriarch of Hungary ERDELY Transylvania Carpathia Filing AD 1960 Imperial Patriarch of Czernowitz Registered AD 1986 Military and Hospitallar Order of St Lazarus of Jerusalem Reg. 1986, Byzantine Union Church Reg. 1994 Matyas Exarch. Thank you. Istvan1 (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
 * If this is not a hoax, you will have to provide more than tax registration to prove notability. Notoriety as a hoax does not count either. Evensteven (talk) 02:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as not notable hoax. I´m sure, that whole existence of this "church" is only virtual,and only reason for this is selling self-styled chivalric orders.--Yopie (talk) 11:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: it is obviously a hoax (who created the list of the patriarchs had no knowledge of Hungarian names and titles). Borsoka (talk) 14:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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