Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The CRAPPs


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The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

The CRAPPs

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Non-notable award created as something of an in-joke between the British public relations community and the British press. The extent of coverage can only be attributed to two facts: 1. journalists are involved, so they will blog about the event; and 2. public relations firms are involved, so they will get the media machines moving to provide coverage. However, as only a single "award event" has occurred, it is unlikely this award will have any historical significance. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

This isn't an 'in-joke', it is a light-hearted way to highlight something prominent in both industries (the often fractious issue of media relations) - not entirely dissimilar to the Golden Raspberries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award. The fact that it is an essentially closed 'industry-only' award scheme should not detract from its significance - as the British Press Awards show: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Press_Awards.

I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind the fact that journalists and PRs are involved, hence it 'will' produce coverage. We are asked to prove notability through authority sources - not provide rationale behind said authority mentions. The awards are to return next year and continue as an annual event.

How do you propose we move forward with the page?

Thanks Goodandbadpr (talk)


 * Comment Please refer to WP:NOTNEWS. The fact that this event generated a burst of topical coverage does not indicate long term notability.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for citing that Wikipedia page for my attention. I do not agree, though, that a one month sustained period of publicity is a 'burst'. Next year, when the awards return, there will be the same reaction by the media. I feel it is an opinionated reaction to the awards that concludes that they are not notable, rather than looking subjectively at the fact that they gained a sustained period of authority interest.

Movember - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember - is an example of a month long campaign that gains significant coverage during the month - something that does not make it any less notable.

Goodandbadpr (talk)


 * Comment The difference, of course, being that the Movember movement has been active for six years now, whereas the Crapps have only been awarded once. Lots of awards get presented once, and forgotten by the next year.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Of course. But that does not make it any less notable in the long term - where The CRAPPs will be awarded annually. I don't feel that helps us come to any sort of conclusion with regards to the entry. If we can't agree - and I feel that I'm genuinely countering within Wikipedia rules - I would very much like other admins to both review the page and this deletion page.

Goodandbadpr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:51, 17 December 2010 (UTC).


 * Delete or Userfy. If the CRAPPs do run as an annual event and get a decent amount of media coverage each year, we might be able to consider an article then. But Wikipedia is for things that are notable now, not things that might be notable in the future. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment How can we call an event that was inaugurated this year an annual event. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will run next year.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you userfy, it doesn't matter. If it does become an annual event as intended, we can consider putting the article back. If it doesn't, it's no great loss for some text to sit in someone's userspace. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your looking at this Chris. You're right, there is no guarantee although it is absolutely the intention for The CRAPPs to be annual. But you can surely appreciate that it is notable now - especially - having just had the winners announced? I am concerned that even if it does return next year, is even more popular than this year and gains the same amount of, or more, coverage than this year, it may be said that two campaigns don't make it 'notable'. It is then still in your court - where you could argue the number of years it would have to be active as an annual award to be 'notable'. I feel that, given the provided references to authority mentions proving its current notability and prominence within the industry, the awards at least deserve to be allowed an entry this year.

Goodandbadpr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC).
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