Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Casagrandes (characters)


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The result was keep.  MBisanz  talk 20:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

The Casagrandes (characters)

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Does not meet GNG - the sources do not focus on the characters themselves. Should we merge or redirect? FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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 * Refocus? Probably good base for starting an article on the spin-off series but not as a stand alone article about the characters. Rmhermen (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:LISTN as the characters have been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources., These two sources as it is focus on voice casting, and those behind the characters. I see no indication that the nom checked per WP:BEFORE for sourcing. An AfD is also not the place to start a merge or redirect discussion nor is it a place to discuss cleanup issues. Finally the main article is approaching the size where a WP:SPINOUT is warranted as the "characters" section is getting to be overwhelmingly big. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no doubt that the parent article is too long. My solution would be to bring that article down in size with some judicious editing. GA/FA content has character sections nowhere of this level of detail. That's how it should be. If this were truly a list of characters, to do a good job there would be a few words, or a sentence max. The show is notable, there should be coverage of these characters as shown by Knowledgekid (though we can debate how RS those source are another day), but that can be done at The Loud House. This level of detail can, thanks to our license, then be moved over to fandom where it would be appreciated. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The issue is that these characters are going to get a split off series, so they will be in two separate in-universe plots. We cant possibly cover these characters in that single context. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends supports by my count 8 different universes. The issue is covering these universes at the level of detail currently done. A version that is more in line with our best practices will have plenty of space to do two. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but we are going into WP:OSE here. It works for that article as there is Rocky the Flying Squirrel, and Bullwinkle J. Moose among others that have stand alone articles. If you want to go down that route then what is the difference between this list and say... List of As Told by Ginger characters? The established practice should be to split out character pages, and leave a summary on the main page (List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters and Tokyo Mew Mew). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:56, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am going to be bold and say you're right other stuff exists. Other stuff, which follows our best practices exists. That's why they exist. The problem that this split is solving wouldn't exist if Loud House followed those practices. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I just linked an FA example, the current state of the list should not be a valid reason for deletion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment It looks like User:PowerRanger200 has illegally moved it to List of The Loud House Characters even though the AFD hasn't ended yet. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 17:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is despite a comment by ; available here. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Another comment Two drafts exist for the show: one in draftspace and the other created in userspace by . FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The article is now at status quo before the disruption. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  Newslinger  talk   11:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Knowledgekid87 WildCh ild300 Talk  19:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


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