Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Case against alleged miracles at Lourdes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. -Doc ask?  10:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The Case against alleged miracles at Lourdes
This page is essentially soapboxing and a general attack on Catholic belief. The article carries no real encyclopedaic purpose; it would be better for the reader to be given neutral information about the topic and allowed to form his or her own opinions. Some guy 20:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. The same editor wrote Objections to Salvation Army Doctrines. That was deleted as this one should be. Lourdes says all that needs to be said about how people are deluded in this place. --Bduke 22:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep but inject some balance. Maybe rename it as something like "The Alleged Miracles at Lourdes", then have a section on "The Case For", and a section on "The Case Against".  It's a fascinating subject, and just removing the current text denies readers the opportunity to learn more about it.  JackofOz 23:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with the article on the Lourdes miracles, subtitling it as suggested by JackofOz. 23skidoo 05:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete the article as POV attack, rewrite whatever is salvagable into the Lourdes article -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a POV fork and is against Wikipedia policy. Merge anything salvageable into Lourdes. Stifle 16:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: Clearly falls under Wikipedia is not a soapbox. — Hillel 09:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Barbara Shack 15:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC) There is a case for merging this article into one stating the case for and against miracles at Lourdes. What I wrote is referenced. The article on Lourdes says only that miracles are claimed.  It doesn't say the case for or against.
 * Delete Redirect if you insist, but Wikipedia is not a debate forum. Objections should be in the main article. if that is too long a balenced article with the case for and against should be made. And it should not contain arguments against 9or for) miracles in general, only for/against Lourdes in particular. DJ Clayworth 16:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV fork. POV forks are not permitted; this is an integral part of Wikipedia's most core policy.  Ikkyu2 07:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.