Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Chaires School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and move to Chaires School. There is rough consensus that the school is notable enough for an article right now. Decisions about gutting it down to stub level or possible merger with Station One School can be had separately outside of this process. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

The Chaires School

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Non notable elementary school. Unsourced and no claims of significance or importance apart from raising chickens and churning butter. Redirected uncontetiously to its locality per policy recommendations, but the redirect was reverted without discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect, if that can be assured. Apparantly the school closed in 1967 due to "disintigration"; I'm afraid the sources are of equal solidity. It has a paragraph in what is probably a good source (Arcadia Publishing?), hardly the depth of coverage required, and the remainder of the sources in the literature are passing mentions, directory, list, catalogue or meeting minutes and entries. News sources are even sparser, considering that local news providers can usually be relied on to document local history. So although I would hope that offline sources can be found, I doubt it. There is, therefore, no persistence of coverage required to meet the most basic of the notability requirements. —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 11:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Jacona (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

*Redirect per Kudpung กุดผึ้ง; At first I thought this was the same school as the older Chaires High School, mentioned, among other places, which would likely be notable, but it appears this is not the same school. All the references I could find to Chaires High School were pre-1927. Jacona (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, though it could be shortened. It is a school that a small community is proud of. (I don't know this firsthand, this is just my impression from reading it.) It's the largest and most important building in Chaires. I don't see what harm the article is doing. There are other schools that have their own pages. Deleting articles discourages contributors, in this case whoever wrote the article (not me). What is particularly notable is that if you look at it in connection with Station One School, there is a nice lesson in how separate but equal did not exist in Leon County schools, at least at that time. In fact, it's alluded to in the third paragraph of the Separate but equal article. I'd be very disappointed to see such a clear example disappear.
 * See https://www.floridamemory.com/solr-search/results/?q=%28Chaires%20school%20OR%20tt%3AChaires%20school%5E10%29&query=Chaires%20school It documents how the school goes back to the nineteenth century — not many Leon County schools do — and at one point was a comprehensive school. It is the same school just mentioned by @JaconaFrere, though it stopped being a high school in the 1920s. deisenbe (talk) 1:36 pm, Today (UTC−4)
 * I don't think I have ever seen a high school deleted if it could be proven to (have) existed.Jacona (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/The Sheffield Private School, Articles for deletion/The Quaid School and Articles for deletion/Ace School System (2nd nomination), amongst others, . Cordless Larry (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Both of those were for-profit schools. Do you have any examples of a public high school? Especially one that existed for over a century in one form or another?Jacona (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not off the top of my head, . I seem to remember public schools having been deleted, but I'm not confident enough to say for certain, and I doubt any were as old as 100 years. It would take some digging through the recent page history of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Schools to say for sure. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. As a modern day elementary school, I'd happily redirect. But as a former high school with a lineage that dates back to the 19th century it's another matter altogether. The article definitely needs work, after AfD I'd like it to be moved to "Chaires School", dropping the word "The" from the title. It's extra work to find sources for "colored schools" due to systemic Bias. We have at least a start on this one, I'd like to see it improved.Jacona (talk) 18:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree with deleting The. There is a 12 minute video from Florida State television (WFSU-TV) about Chaires and the school is the first thing shown, and not briefly.  https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/252937   deisenbe (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to Chaires School and WP:TNT That's great that someone has written a detailed history of the school, but without any sources to back it up, it's original research and unverified. I would TNT the article to leave only the basic information that is sourced. If that's just a paragraph then it should be Retarget to Chaires, Florida There are local newspapers that describe the school as being one of the most segregated schools. Sorry, my bad, it's the exception Get rid of the "The". It was never part of the school's name.   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC) updated 18:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * User:AngusWOOF, please don't call for wp:TNT unless you actually mean it, which I don't think you do. This may be just a distraction. From the way you write, I think you mean you want the article pared down, and you want to express that emphatically.  "TNT" means you want the article to be entirely deleted so that all past versions and edit contribution history is deleted.  See wp:TNTTNT, an essay i was involved with, for several reasons why some think that is not a good idea, including that you are asking for us to violate the terms of Wikipedia.  If you do want "TNT", please say so, and explain why you want prior editors' contributions permanently deleted, etc.  And I will listen but then I will probably want to OPPOSE that. --Doncram (talk) 02:23, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern is that with such detail, it's either original research by someone who knows a lot about the school itself or a copy violation from some local paper. If it can be supported and referenced by reliable sources then you can keep the verbiage around to merge into the history of the town. Also this was regarding the version proposed at the start of the AFD so the content has changed to clean out much of that.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As you queried earlier, it is by far the largest building in Chaires. Look at the satellite pictures. I’d be grateful for the references to newspapers deacribing the segregation at that school. deisenbe (talk) 17:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I stand corrected. It is one of the schools that is NOT among the most segregated which are the other schools in Leon county   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It has a past as a segregated school, both as whites-only, and as blacks-only, as you can see from the old newspaper posts (url's starting with "chroniclingamerica")Jacona (talk) 20:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/12433 says that it appears in Leon County School Board minutes "as early as the 1870s", and that it was a grades 1-10 (not 12) school. deisenbe (talk) 13:00, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep- I personally do not think every high school deserves an article, but that's the established consensus. However, the article needs to be gutted (and probably reduced to a stub unless more sources are found). There are some serious isuues with WP:V--Rusf10 (talk) 03:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I have shortened the article by almost 50%, removing unneeded detail. deisenbe (talk) 12:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 05:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Looks more like promo than a relevant article. Fails WP:GNG. Redirecting to the school district might be a reasonable alternative for deletion. The Banner talk 12:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article is probably never going to be big, and the material largely overlaps with Station One School. I've continued to review this, and am coming to a the conclusion that it is wiser to merge the two and leave one as a redirect to the other. By the way, there are several historical newspaper sources available but not in the article that verify the existence of the school (and it's past status as a high school) from back into the 1870s to the present under one name or the other.Jacona (talk) 13:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.