Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Changeling (The Doors song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus (but merge to tag added). As it stands this discussion appears to have no consensus. Discussion has hinted towards merging with the album's article 'L.A. Woman'. Personally, I would have said redirect to that. Because of the slight lean toward a merger, I will close this as no consensus here, but will add a merge to tag to the page for discussion on the talk page - as it was inappropriate to place here (the initial rationale even suggested a merge) (non-admin closure)    Kadzi    (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

The Changeling (The Doors song)

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Non-notable song, fails WP:NSONG, nothing written about it in depth, just passing mentions in the context of other Doors works such as the album or the A-side single "Riders on the Storm". Merge to the album article, L.A. Woman. Binksternet (talk) 22:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Binksternet (talk) 22:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Binksternet:Why? It has citations and it has some important information for the song. Okay maybe it's not so very good article, but it's readable. Unkownsolidier 10:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Read WP:NSONG and tell us how it meets the requirements. Binksternet (talk) 09:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Merge or Delete Doesn't meet NSONGS: it's only mentioned in album reviews/analyses and is not "the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label". —Ojorojo (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable song, issued as a B-side to a popular single on one of the top albums of the 1970s. Is well sourced and there is enough for a separate article than the album. Receives a decent amount of coverage in this book. A good paragraph here. Manzarek and Densmore talking about the song. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited regardless of the popularity of the A-side or album; the four sentences in the UCR source are within the context of the L.A. Woman album; Manzarek (Doors keyboardist) and Densmore (group drummer) (& Botnick, the album producer) are not "independent of the band"; biographers often title chapters after songs, but Jones doesn't mention it in the 8-page google preview. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I never said that the notability was inherited, just stating a fact. As an example, most Beatles and Rolling Stones songs have articles, even deep cuts. I'm not saying this isn't justified, just that there are sources to support the articles, much like this one. With regards to the book, the song is discussed in the preview last time I checked, and there is more that is not in the preview. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 01:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Other stuff exists is not a good argument in a deletion discussion. Deep cuts of albums should have something related to WP:GNG at the very least (multiple in-depth mentions in the literature), and WP:NSONGS if there's a chart status or sales certification or YouTube view count, etc. Otherwise, the song can be very adequately described in an album article, or the artist article. Binksternet (talk) 02:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Given the sources that are already in the article, and the likelihood that more offline sources exists (after all, this is a 50 year old song by a band that attracted a lot of attention), deletion would not be appropriate. Redirection or merger could be appropriate given the current state of the article.  I notice that the AfD rationale requests merger and not deletion so I am not sure why the merger request process was not used. Rlendog (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.