Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Collegiates (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Despite a fairly comprehensive search for sources by several participants, it seems to have become apparent that this band is distinctly under-reported even beyond what would be expected for a moderately-obscure band of this age. Consensus seems to hold that the band is therefore insufficiently notable. ~ mazca  talk 16:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The Collegiates
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This group seems to fail WP:MUSIC as no sources could be found besides trivial local ones. Last AFD closed as no consensus due to the fact that after a relist, the only !voters were the nominator and his socks. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ mazca  talk 10:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient notability. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to me somewhat strange to characterize the source that I added as "trivial" when it verifies that The Collegiates opened for such 1960s music acts as Jerry Lee Lewis. The source calls the lead singer of the band "a one-time rock 'n' roll star" due to his association with the band. The article also refers to a Billboard review of one of their records—has anyone checked to see if this can be better sourced? While I am not able to say for sure, I suspect that this is one of the cases where the lack of easy access to the print sources of the time (the 1960s) is skewing the deletion discussion. I suspect that a band that opened for Jerry Lee Lewis had enough sources writing about it to meet our notability guidelines. I would lean towards keeping the article if a more extensive search for old sources has not been done. It could be stub-ified in the meantime. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. This group seems to have left remarkably little trace on posterity. Nothing at allmusic, just an apparently unrelated backing band for Dickey Lee. A search for band and lead singer's name yields a couple of posts to a newsgroup, the Daily Herald source that's already cited (seems to be a woolly human interest piece: local man is secret former rock star), and wikipedia mirrors. That's it. This seems to be another unrelated band. Not all reliable sources are online but there should be some trace if this band were as significant as the article makes out. All we can say at the moment is that the band probably existed and the lead singer was called Larry Ascough. I guess these guys have fallen cruelly through the gaps of history. It's not wikipedia's job to fish them out though, so unless someone can turn up a better source I don't think we need to hold on to this. Flowerparty ☀ 11:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your attempts to find some sources. In light of what you are saying, I would re-cast my comments above as neutral. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 22:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per Flowerparty's excellent reasoning. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.