Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Courtesans (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Snow keep (non-admin closure) -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  08:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

The Courtesans
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This article violates trademark act of 1994. Trademark belonging to Mr Howard Toshman, who registered "The Courtesans" trademark on 12 August 2013. Application number 3017753. Intellectual Property Office full decision can be found under this link- http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-challenge-decision-results/t-challenge-decision-results-bl?BL_Number=O%2F480%2F14 Skippertheeyechild (talk) 15:27, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. A trademark infringement would appear if the brand "The Courtesans" was exploited commercially be Wikipedia. This is, however, not the case. We have lots of articles about trademarked brands like Coca Cola, Altoids, or Maltesers. Also, The Courtesans is just a redirect to Eileen Daly where the trademark case and the Courtesans band are a minor part of the main article. Reporting about a trademark does not an infringement make. De728631 (talk) 23:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. It appears the dispute stems from the fact that there appears to be a UK manager who trademarked "The Courtesans" in the United Kingdom as the name of a (non notable?) band, which conflicts with Eileen Daly's band of the same name. Sucks for Daly, but irrelevant to us. We don't give ownership of a page title on trademark claims (otherwise WWF would point to the World Wildlife Fund rather than act as a disambiguation page). If Toshman's band gains notability, a discussion on what to do with the page title The Courtesans would be warranted, but lacking another target of notability, the current redirect (which was restored after this AFD was filed) is fine. Resolute 00:26, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per above. There is no trademark infringement here. Epicgenius (talk) 11:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect. If Toshman's band becomes wikinotable enough for an article, it can be rewritten to be about them instead. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. No trademarks are being infringed by the existence of Wikipedia articles. An article on Toshman's band would fail WP:CRYSTAL and there is no appropriate redirect target that I can find - if there was I would suggest disambiguation, but there seems to be nothing that we could write about them at this time. Eileen Daly was verifiably in a band by this name for a time, even though they lost the right to use the name as a result of the trademark decision, but that still makes it a valid redirect target. Nothing to do here. Ivanvector (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect. Not notable as a band, as established in the first AfD (and nothing has changed there) but a reasonable search term for Eileen Daly at the moment. --Michig (talk) 06:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.