Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Courtyard Shopping Centre (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete. Merger to Shopping in Letterkenny is an editorial decision W.marsh 00:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The Courtyard Shopping Centre (2nd nomination)

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Pointless shopping mall article, has already been deleted. Pathless 22:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Object; it is certainly a very poor article but the notion that shopping malls are not-notable (or more likely unworthy) for inclusion is 24 carat POV. They are central to modern life in the English speaking world, just as Churches were one time. It was commerce that created towns in the first place; their very reason to exist! What this article needs is to be improved, not deleted. Commercial advertising in such articles can be handled just as it is in other articles. (Sarah777 23:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Keep - notability is derived from Economic Impact to the community. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  01:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - Somewhat as notable as other mall articles in other parts of the country. I do not see any reason why this, over any other article, should be deleted. --Letterkennyboi 15:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment This article has been deleted through afd and recreated several times by now. It has not been improved in any way since its last deletion. Furthermore, the article makes use of no reliable secondary sources. Pathless 18:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I assumed "pointless" meant 'not notable'. It seems your issue now is merely with the quality of the article; not really a reason for deletion. (Sarah777 20:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC))


 * No, while the quality of the article is pathetic, there are several reasons why this article should be deleted, and a consensus was reached in previous afd discussions that it should be deleted. By "pointless", I mean that the article is essentially an advertisement for the mall which includes nothing of encyclopedic value. Pathless 21:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "encyclopedic value" - could you define that for me? 'Value' seems a highly subjective notion in this context; how do you measure it?(Sarah777 21:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC))


 * The article contains only a list of businesses in the store, alongside original research. None of this is encyclopedic, not is it suitable for inclusion in wikipedia - see WP:NOT and WP:NOT. Pathless 22:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - I seriosly can't see how this, over any other, article on a shopping mall is not notable. Look at other articles on Irish shopping malls. What is your opinion on them Pathless?. --Balloholic 21:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Which ones do you mean, though? I think that they could normally be merged into the article on the area, like the one on Blanchardstown Shopping Centre has been, unless they are especially notable in some way. Pathless 21:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the Blanchardstown merge was clearly a bad decision; maybe we should revisit that one. Dundrum Shopping Centre has a separate article, as do many others. (Sarah777 21:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Keep - Agree with User Talk:Exit2DOS2000 notability is derived from Economic Impact to the community. The community of Letterkenny and maybe even the large area of County Donegal --Balloholic 18:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Please note that an element of "ballot-stuffing" could be present here. Several of these accounts are "single purpose" accounts, contributing almost solely to Letterkenny related articles. Pathless 19:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming I'm not including in the alleged stuffing? Also clearly doesn't apply to User:Exit2DOS2000 and hard to see how it could apply to Balloholic either. (Can't see Letterkennyboi's record). I think you should specify who you suspect or withdraw the charge which reads as if it applies to all the rest of us. (Sarah777 21:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC))


 * No, I wasn't talking about you, or about User:Exit2DOS2000. You should try to relax, it is obvious that your account is not single pupose. I left a message on your talk page. It is easy to see how it could apply to Balloholic, if you just take a look through his edits. In fact, he seems to share editing habits with several other users. You can see Letterkennyboi's edits here. Pathless 21:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, some shared interests I grant you. But actually neither could be called a single-article account; they seem to cover every type of building in Letterkenny; Churches, Libraries, sports venues, factories, eateries and, yes, Retail Parks and Shopping Centres. And they have uploaded some good snaps of all of these. (Sarah777 21:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Delete. Article does not establish notability.  It reads like an advert.  Vegaswikian 02:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: "Please stop trying to speedy delete tag notable malls. You will not succeed in subverting a consensus discussion, as any such taggings will be rollbacked on sight, and watchlisted so they can't be snuck through at a later date." - Rebecca 06:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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 * So I see you have some "previous" on this issue Vagas? Wiki is NOT here to cater to the prejudices of certain editors. (Sarah777 09:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Keep - I seriosly can't see how this, over any other, article on a shopping mall is not notable. Look at other articles on Irish shopping malls. What is your opinion on them Pathless?. --Balloholic 21:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Nomination withdrawn, merge with Shopping in Letterkenny. Pathless 21:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.